haha

well, i dont think we'd be anywhere w/o government, seriously, and i dont feel like listing all the points, id be happy to discuss one by one though. funny thing: my history teacher is a libertarian

in some cases, i think that the government should slim down its role, but total elimination is a nono

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Anarchy never works, for the simple reason that you generally need to organize something, to overthrow something else. And anarchism goes directly against that.

On a somewhat related note, I hate seing all those anarchy signs sown onto backpacks, or on bumperstickers of kids who listen to Metallica or wannabe punk.

Agreed. Period.

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Originally posted by Nadi I hate seing all those anarchy signs sown onto backpacks, or on bumperstickers of kids who listen to Metallica or wannabe punk.

primarily lost teens trying to find themsleves and be different, stand out from the crowd, in this big world of confusion

>JM<

"ANARCHY IN THE UK" - THE EXPLOITED

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the anarchy you are refering to is actually very organized, and hence, very ironic.

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Anarchy = Communism = Ideal.

I'd define myself as an idealist anarchist, and realist socialist.

It asks people to be more than they are currently capable of, and you need to get humanity to a much more egalatarian, and peaceful way of existence before there's even a glimmer of hope for it.

It makes me sad to see people who equate Anarchy with Chaos, because Anarchy is actually equal to Utopia, with all that that entails (ie: perfect, but nigh, if not totally impossible to accomplish)

Sadly, this view of Anarchy as people running around torching things is the one that a lot of those people with patches seem to be pushing as the real deal, which is utter stupidity.

Ask those people about Bakunin and Kropotkin and I gurantee you'll get nothing but blank stares...

Communism is not Anarchy. Communism as excercised in the Soviet Union head a government, under Lenin several "soviets" were installed. Marxism would be more like Anarchy. Marxism seeks for a society of totaly equality where all the goods are shared by every1. Well both are in my opnion naive ideals/utopias. People are animals, just a tad more intelligent and self-aware. We're navigated by greed, looking for power...Sex! and emotions, specially jealousy and hatred but also love. Anarchy would also mean a society without a codex of justice. A horrible scenario. For Mister X stealing food when being hungry would be justified since "natural" for Mister Y killing Mr X as an act of revenge would be legitimate just the same.

Oh well...

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Do any of you guys even know what anarchy is?

Have you read two pages of Marx or Bukenin?

What do you think Capitalism is Einstein!?

Capitalism is pure anarchy! That's the whole reason it's managed to flurish so much!

Anarchy is not disorder and caos. Anarchy is order without control.

Here you have nation states which have a monopoly on violence.
They keep order. Internal and external by using the police and army.

Then you have an economic anarchy that runs like blood through the globe. No limits! Anything goes! Now that's at the global scale.

Then we have anarchy at the nation level.

Is anyone familiar with the laws of Dialectical Materialism?
The laws of oposites in nature? If yes then you will have a good idea about what I'm gonna say next.

Anarchy at the global level is essentially crutial to the existance of Capitalism. But at the nation state level it becomes the exact oposite.

Certain mathematical formulas applied to different conditions can give equally oposite results.

This debate is far too complex and I don't think anyone's up for it here but if you're interested I can refer you to a few books.

All you need to know is that the topic of Anarchy is far too big to just dismiss it by saying Anacrhist are idiots. It just shows your own ignorance!!!!!!

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Ack, just typed a response that didn't go through so I'll try again (in a more blunt form, because I need to go to bed).

Basically I'm familar with Dialectical Materialism, mainly with the Hegelian Dialectic but I understand how Marx modified it in his Communist Manifesto to justify the socialistic state he had envisaged.

But:

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Anarchy at the global level is essentially crutial to the existance of Capitalism. But at the nation state level it becomes the exact oposite.

I don't get this.

I agree that anarchy is important to the propogation and survival of the capitalistic method, but why is it different on a global and national scale? Is anarchy essential to global capitalism, but more supportive of the dialectical antithesis of capitalism (i.e. Marxist socialism going by the Manifesto) on the national scale? Or are you merely saying that the antithesis of anarchy (totalitarianism in a way?) is more essential to capitalism at the nation level, as opposed to the global level where it is anarchy itself that supports capitalism?

I phrased it better in my last post, but yeah. Help me understand.

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Originally posted by davinox the anarchy you are refering to is actually very organized, and hence, very ironic.

thats basically the point im making, most anarchists go agianst the way of "anarchy" and it is jsut funny to laugh at theyre all round wankerishness.

also the fac kids walk around with hoodies with them anarchy signs on and think theyre anarchists (my little sisters ex b/f of 14 years thoight he was an anarchist, maturally i laughed in his ugly face) and it i highly amusing, please feel free to vent some more!

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