Sounds like the kind of of Detroit techno intro track Vince Watson could have knocked out around the turn of Y2K. Good stuff, but who would play this in a techno club nowadays? All the usual suspects I can think of are now firmly stuck in the 120 BPM range (apart from the guys at Ilian Tape, perhaps).

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I'd say guys like Z.I.P.P.O. and Kaelan although I haven't heard the latter one, and could only assume from online sets and so forth. You're right tho. They definitely sound like something the likes of Vince Watson and Steve Rachmad would open a set with about 15-20 years ago. Good stuff nonetheless.

wow, the 2nd one is amazing! i would love to hear them with some basic baseline or breaks variation

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper Sounds like the kind of of Detroit techno intro track Vince Watson could have knocked out around the turn of Y2K. Good stuff, but who would play this in a techno club nowadays? All the usual suspects I can think of are now firmly stuck in the 120 BPM range (apart from the guys at Ilian Tape, perhaps).

Doesn't sound very Vince Watson ca. 2000 to me. I mean something like this has a similiar track structure but the sound design and harmonic structure is totally different. If anything I hear a strong resemblance to the classic Ostgut stuff ca. 2007-2009, Shedding the past and such.

Also, techno has gotten quite fast again in the past 2-3 years, peaktime sets are now often 132-135 bpm (unfortunately a lot of the stuff played at that tempo nowadays is really crappy "EBM"/industrial/bigroom techno). I don't think there's a lot of DJs nowadays that would have the balls to play them without a kickdrum layered underneath though!



Lovely record btw, been listening nonstop the last week or so. Best techno records in months.

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Last edited by Woony on Jun-05-2018 at 14:14

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Originally posted by Woony Doesn't sound very Vince Watson ca. 2000 to me. I mean something like this has a similiar track structure but the sound design and harmonic structure is totally different.

That was my point. It follows the blueprint established by Derrick May's old beatless tracks (which Vince had polished up and streamlined during the turn of the millenium), but gives it another thorough overhaul in the production value department.

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Also, techno has gotten quite fast again in the past 2-3 years, peaktime sets are now often 132-135 bpm (unfortunately a lot of the stuff played at that tempo nowadays is really crappy "EBM"/industrial/bigroom techno).

That was also my point. Almost all techno DJs I know of who move into that range during peak time are firmly planted in greyscale techno land, so who'd drop something like this? I could perhaps see someone like Stenny and, at a stretch, Dax J give it a whirl. Other than that, there's slim pickings. I hope I'm proven wrong on this, though. I'd love for this type of stuff to make a comeback.

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Last edited by Sand Leaper on Jun-05-2018 at 21:13

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Originally posted by Woony Doesn't sound very Vince Watson ca. 2000 to me. I mean something like this has a similiar track structure but the sound design and harmonic structure is totally different. If anything I hear a strong resemblance to the classic Ostgut stuff ca. 2007-2009, Shedding the past and such.

Sounds far, far more like Vince Watson than anything on Shedding The Past.

I like these, but I'm not sure what was the point of leaving the kick drum out. They're not exactly ambient records, just Detroit techno with the kick omitted. Surely there must be some Detroit purists still gigging this kind of stuff, though?

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Last edited by SYSTEM-J on Jun-06-2018 at 12:50

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I like these, but I'm not sure what was the point of leaving the kick drum out. They're not exactly ambient records, just Detroit techno with the kick omitted.

According to the press release he was trying to make club tracks that work without the kickdrum. I'm not sure how much the average listener cares but it's a very taunting challenge from a producer standpoint. I think everyone producing has tried it and some point and eventually caved in, adding a kick anyways. The rhythmic filter modulations he used to imitate the rhythmic pulse of the kick are absolutely wonderful and awe inducing from a technical standpoint.

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