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Originally posted by mr.anderson Would you say Anjunabeats is prog trance and Anjudadeep is deep trance?

Fuck no and Jesus Christ no.

If you're referring to the sub-category of "deep trance" that's appeared on Beatport recently, it's a bit of out-of-touch marketing faff from John 00 Fleming to try and ensure his brand of over-compressed and over-layered pseudo-prog can still get him booked by trance promoters.

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> Maximum Elevation [Progressive House]
> DI.FM 26th Anniversary Guest Mix [Progressive House]
> Live @ Dance:Love:Hub London, 11.10.2025
> Higher Peaks [Progressive House]
> Dance:Love:Hub Afterparty (The Return) 23.11.24

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Also, because I know much furrowing of brows will ensue if I just leave it at that, here's a slightly more helpful explanation:

John 00 Fleming, who's spent the last seven thousand years publicly decrying the state of trance, has collaborated with Beatport (aided and abetted by his label signing and all-round nice guy Daniel Lesden who now works for Beatport curating the Trance category) to create a new category on there to separate out the "deep" "trance" that J00F plays from the uplifting mega-fluff that commercially dominates the genre. If you navigate your way to J00F's Facebook page, you'll find a number of missives detailing the objectives of this quest.

If you actually click around this new category, most of the stuff in there seems to be 123-130bpm stuff that's basically just a slightly more over-produced and dramatic variant on the kind of progressive house the likes of Hernan Cattaneo, Nick Warren, Guy J et al have been playing for years.

If you want to get down to some actual trance in 2023 that's actually deep and progressive, I would recommend navigating over to the "REAL trance/progressive revival" thread a couple of inches of screen below this thread, or just click on the trance mixes in my sig.

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Mixes:
> Maximum Elevation [Progressive House]
> DI.FM 26th Anniversary Guest Mix [Progressive House]
> Live @ Dance:Love:Hub London, 11.10.2025
> Higher Peaks [Progressive House]
> Dance:Love:Hub Afterparty (The Return) 23.11.24

Like these sets? Come see me play live at Kibosh in Manchester: https://www.instagram.com/kibosh.mcr/

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Originally posted by mr.anderson Would you say Anjunabeats is prog trance and Anjudadeep is deep trance?

Lol, what?

Never liked Anjunabeats. The label came along in the 2000's when real trance was already in massive decline or more or less dead. Their output was fluffy commercial garbage that appealed to some people because it was... well, fluffy and commercial.

As for JOOF, I've just read his latest Facebook post about the creation of Deep Trance subgenre. It seems very odd to me how one man alone can establish a whole new subgenre just like that. He's hardly the authority on what deep trance is anyway. His sets are largely filled with monotonous modern day 'prog'.

Haven't bothered to check out this "new style" because presumably it will mostly be releases from his own labels. So, a marketing ploy by which he hopes to sell more records and promote his own name.

"Deep Trance" is not a genre. Prog is. J00f doesn't play Trance, as aforementioned, but he does play Prog, which is of the cheesy kind, as some of us here agree.

This may be proper modern "deep" trance:



This is good Prog trance, the kind J00f doesn't play:

Something interesting that has come out of Daniel Lesden's work curating the Trance category on Beatport is he's created a new sub-category called "Raw Trance", which contains the Adam Pits / Bliss Inc. / etc. trance we've been getting excited about. I'm not fully sold on the name "Raw Trance", but it's good to see the style getting some proper recognition:

https://www.beatport.com/genre/tran...ks?subgenre=264

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Mixes:
> Maximum Elevation [Progressive House]
> DI.FM 26th Anniversary Guest Mix [Progressive House]
> Live @ Dance:Love:Hub London, 11.10.2025
> Higher Peaks [Progressive House]
> Dance:Love:Hub Afterparty (The Return) 23.11.24

Like these sets? Come see me play live at Kibosh in Manchester: https://www.instagram.com/kibosh.mcr/

Personally, I don't think this actually solves the problem this will become a giant mess like progressive house has become. This will create more confusion

Yeah so the 'Raw deep hypnotic' is everything from Adam Pits to hard, fast acid tracks to a 20-plus year-old Oliver Lieb remix, and everything else is now "Main Floor Trance"? Small steps, I guess.

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He is a very talented musician and an enthusiastic entertainer but he can't mix two beers together with a bucket and a funnel.

There is slightly more to it than that. "Raw / deep / hypnotic" is the overall category, which is a copy of the terms used in Beatport's techno section, but each one can be filtered down, so the "deep trance" mentioned at the start of this thread is at least segregated from the "raw" stuff.

I would agree that within "raw trance" there's a conflation between the more proggy 130-140bpm Adam Pits stuff and the faster 140+ Copenhagen / Berlin material, which is arguably "tech trance" for the 2020s. There's also quite a lot of the more fast and acidic stuff from J00F Recordings in the category which doesn't fit into either camp, which is possibly Lesden showing his parent label biases.

However, the main thing is this has actually made Beatport useful for searching for trance for probably the first time ever. I'm happy to chew through a few DJ Ibon-esque 150bpm nonsense tunes to get to the good stuff if it means I can filter out the 5,000 uplifting trance turds and actually have a prayer of finding something I like.

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Mixes:
> Maximum Elevation [Progressive House]
> DI.FM 26th Anniversary Guest Mix [Progressive House]
> Live @ Dance:Love:Hub London, 11.10.2025
> Higher Peaks [Progressive House]
> Dance:Love:Hub Afterparty (The Return) 23.11.24

Like these sets? Come see me play live at Kibosh in Manchester: https://www.instagram.com/kibosh.mcr/

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J filter out the 5,000 uplifting trance turds

Yeah fair point

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He is a very talented musician and an enthusiastic entertainer but he can't mix two beers together with a bucket and a funnel.