So I just got these puppies and here are my thoughts on them:

First off, they are even sexier than in the pictures! These headphones looks awesome! The ear pads are very comfortable and the fit tightly around the ear to block out quite a bit of outside noise.

The only problem with the fit that I have is that since it is tighter than the Sony MDR-v700's, it kind of hurt when I'm wearing my glasses. I could wear the sony's for a couple of hours before it started getting annoying, though with the Pioneers, I have to adjust my glasses so the earpiece is above my phones.

I think that these are the perfect combination of the two headphones I've owned before (sony mdr-v700 and Sennheisser HD-280 pro). The Pioneers have great look, great sound quality, good comfort and all of the major parts are replaceable. The bass response is excellent and in addition to this, the heaphones have a stereo/mono selector on one of the ears. When switched to mono, you have a mono signal in BOTH ears. This is much better than the selector on my djm-600 which will put both tracks in mono, but one in your left ear and the other track in your right ear. (I can't mix unless I can hear the overlap in both ears, personally). I think that listening to the tracks in mono makes it easier to pick out just the bass beats. It eliminates all of that stereo "3D echo", which I think could be very useful in clubs or other loud environments.

Overall, the price is steep for most, at $150, these headphones are not cheap--but they are definitely the best that I've worn on my head!

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hmm.. i was planning on buying some sennheiser HD280s, but now maybe i have changed my mind. I wear glasses too, so i wonder if the senns will hurt my ears like the pioneers do?

I found the senns for $100, which is $60 less than the pioneers.

http://www.pssl.com/bitemdetail.tpl...002121412181626

if you've owned both flesch, which has better attenuation?

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thanks for the info, i have use both the MoS-DJ1001s and Sony-MDRv700s regularly and am intending to get some new fones in the new year, these could be the ones for me Thanks for you thoughts Dj Flesch, much appreciated,

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John,

Personally I didn't really like the Senn's that much. The only two high points of the phones for me were the increadible outside noise reduction and the replaceable parts (I have two beagles that went to town on my pair of Sony's ). They are pretty comfortable, but they also look like a small beast on your head too--if you are concerned about how they look. The thing that I didn't like the most about the senns was the bad distortion at moderate to high volume levels. These are more studio phones with dj features than a true dj headphone.

The Sony's, while you can't replace the parts easily, offer up much better sound quality (maybe not in absolute terms--for some--but for what a dj needs to listen to in order to mix well). They look much better then the senn's, and they cost about the same as the senn's.

The Pioneer headphones, however, offer some of both worlds. I love the sound quality, just like in the Sony's and it has plenty of other features that make it a superior phone to all of the rest that I've experienced. As I said, it fits tighter, and so is less comfortable if you wear glasses, but that is easy to get around by adjusting your glasses, or wearing contacts. The tighter fit allows for better outside noise reduction than the Sony's, but doesn't encompass your ear totally like the Senn's do.

As I said before, I think that the Pioneers are worth the money if you can dish it out. If not, I would still suggest the Sonys.

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Originally posted by Dj Flesch The Sony's, while you can't replace the parts easily, offer up much better sound quality (maybe not in absolute terms--for some--but for what a dj needs to listen to in order to mix well).

If you're talking about the MDR-V700's, then I vehemently disagree with that last statement! ("better sound quality...for what a dj needs to listen to in order to mix well")

In terms of a club environment, it depends on how you mix, but generally yes, the V700's would potentially work better than the senn's (because of the exaggerated bass) but not because they sound better because they do not!

If you're in a studio environment, or in your bedroom, it is very difficult to mix with the Sony's, using the lower range. You cannot hear the "beat cancelling" effect simply because the midrange is so muddy, it makes the lower range sound like absolute mush.

With the Senns, everything is crystal clear! You can attain absolute perfect mixing with the Senns, something that you cannot do with the Sony's (unless you mix highs, but, again, mixing with highs is not as accurate as with the lows).

JohnSmith, do not change your mind because of one person's opinion! I recall that you said you need a bedroom phone, and for that, you don't need to care about looks! The Senns will suit you perfectly simply because of their quality and precision.

(Personally, I think they look great as well )

OTOH, as I've said before in another thread, if you're dj'ing in a club (I'm just saying this in general), then you might be better off with one of the "shiny" headphones.

Note: I own both the Sony's and the Senns, and I use the Senns for bedroom mixing, simply because they are one of the best for this.

hmm.. decisions decisions.

I don't think i want the sonys, i've heard to many bad things about them breaking, and the bass being washed out.

as for looks, i really don't care at all, i'm a very utilitarian person, i need headphones to mix with, not to look cool. in fact, i'd almost NOT want the pioneer just cuz they are so flashy.

i think i've decided on the senns, because i would be using them for bedroom DJing, but also hooking them up to my computer speakers at work, and maybe my MD player, never going to levels very loud, and i want the best sound i can get. i think that the senns are easier to drive, where as the massive pioneer or sonys would probably not sound good at all with my puny little MD player.

but, if they distort that easily, then i might not want them. i suppose it all depends at what volume they distort, if that's quieter than i mix, then they'd be ok.

I wish i could try some out, but i have to order any of this stuff over the net, all my local stores cary are sony.

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Originally posted by JohnSmith i think i've decided on the senns, because i would be using them for bedroom DJing, but also hooking them up to my computer speakers at work, and maybe my MD player, never going to levels very loud, and i want the best sound i can get. i think that the senns are easier to drive, where as the massive pioneer or sonys would probably not sound good at all with my puny little MD player.

Ah, for a more general-purpose phone like what you're describing, then, the Senns are perfect. Sony's or Pioneers are only really good for dj'ing (and only then in limited cases, as I've discussed).

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but, if they distort that easily, then i might not want them. i suppose it all depends at what volume they distort, if that's quieter than i mix, then they'd be ok.

No, they don't distort! Who said that? I've cranked the Senns as high as my mixer can go (with them OFF my head, of course, lol), and there were no problems. (even when setting them louder than you would ever need in any club, simply because your eardrums would be torn to shreds after 5 minutes of exposing them to such an insane sound level)

Even if there was distortion, you would never experience it yourself because
a) you need to have them set at an incredibly loud volume, and
b) you will never need to set them that high, as you're using them for bedroom DJ'ing, MD-listening, etc. etc.

Even in a club, I bet they wouldn't distort. It's just that you wouldn't hear the lower range quite that well because it would get washed out from external noise, not distortion.

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Originally posted by Dj Flesch The thing that I didn't like the most about the senns was the bad distortion at moderate to high volume levels.

he did!

so.. if they don't distort from internal noise, you say that they suffer from not blocking out enough outside noise? but i thought they were one of the BEST isolating phones out there, as gluegun put it, they have an UNGODLY -32db of isolation, that's pretty good isn't it?

but this link doesn't speak to high of the sennheiser HD280s, it rates them the 5th out of 5 for both bedroom DJ and Club DJ use.

http://www.geocities.com/magicthyse/djcomp.html

the Technics RPDJ came in first in both situations.. but i tried my friends, and i HATED them..

i went to future shop, and they have i think EVERY kind of sennheiser ever made, except for the HD280s. I ended up getting some crappy panasonics for my girlfriend, cuz she is always wanting to use my DJ cans. the panasonics suck though, i am taking them back tonight

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I've had the Pioneer for around 2 months now,,, and like I keep telling you guys I think they're the way to go. Maybe they're a bit flashy but oh well,,, who cares

yea go with the pioneers...i just got a pair and they're def worth it

its only headphones just go with your preferences not others opionion.

Well, I doubt any of us are true audiophiles, so the only way that you can really discern all of our oppinions is to listen to the phones yourself. If you can find a dj shop around your area, then I'm sure they will have all three of those phones for you to test. Bring a cd that you know how it should sound and then listen to it with the different headphones.

If you don't want to go with the Sonys because too many people have broken theirs, or the Pioneers because they are too flashy, then I've also heard that Sennheiser HD25s are better than the HD280-pros. I've never listened to them though, so you may want to read up on them and listen to them also.

It basically comes down to what YOU want in a headphone. The sonys and pioneers do have exagerated bass, but I perfer that when I am mixing. I could care less if the sound is "perfect" if I can't distinguish between the two bass beats enough to mix well. Everyone has different ears, and everyone listens to slightly different things when they mix. Again, it's up to you to listen to these phones yourself--then make a discission.

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