north korea has kicked out of its country all international observers of its nuclear program. in about a week N.K. well be dispatching its fuel cells from its nuclear reactors, something it has never done before, which would then be able to be used for getting plutonium for use in nuclear weapons.

if you were G.W.Bush what would you do?
if you were the head of state of your own generic country what would you do?
what should the UN do?

___________________
If God is the answer, it must have been a very stupid question.

I think they're bluffing. Why would they be so blatant about it?
N.K. is dangling a BIG carrot at the moment. They're taunting the US, as if saying "we dare you guys to interfere like you are doing in Iraq's case". It's a political show imo. I hope GWB is smarter than that and won't bite the bait. It's one thing to build a WOMD, and another to use it.

The US claims that Iraq has them, while they altogether deny it.
In N.K.'s case, the US would know about it, and they won't deny it.

So if i'm G UU Bush, i choose a wait and see approach.

___________________
I think the surest sign that there is intelligent life out there in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us.

Swear and Sweat by it.

But do you know why NK did that? They already probably have nuclear weapons, they're not making a breakthrough here, maybe only more weapons. But Bush offered them a proposal which said that if they stop their nuclear program, the US will build them nuclear reactors. NK agreed, and US didn't get started on it for a year. That's why NK reactivated its program.

quote:

if you were the head of state of your own generic country what would you do?

I'd send a serious diplomatic warning to NK and say that if they continue, we will impose an embargo on them which will cost tme at least 10000$/year.

___________________
1+1=10

quote:

Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 But do you know why NK did that? They already probably have nuclear weapons, they're not making a breakthrough here, maybe only more weapons. But Bush offered them a proposal which said that if they stop their nuclear program, the US will build them nuclear reactors. NK agreed, and US didn't get started on it for a year. That's why NK reactivated its program.

Thats balony. First, NK only has up to two nuclear devices according to the USA. Second, it was Clinton that said they will build them the reactors.

And believe me, NK did not all of a sudden say we want to build nukes cause you aren't building them for us..

quote:

I'd send a serious diplomatic warning to NK and say that if they continue, we will impose an embargo on them which will cost tme at least 10000$/year.

Third, NK already has an embargo on them. Bush cut off the oil as well, which NK agreed to recieve so long as it won't develop or sell nukes.

IMHO NK is evil, and should be part of the axis. If they don't stop what they are doing soon, I can't but see either a failure of deterance and a weakening on the part of the USA, or war.

haha i was watching CNN (dumb channel i know) and there was this one guy who said he belives we should do everything possible to isolate NK... ROFL... NK is like the most isolated countries in the world, how more isolated can you get, and how much is that really going to hurt them, hahahahahaha, oh well dont mind me, some people i just fund so blind .....

___________________
If God is the answer, it must have been a very stupid question.

Thank god for the missile defense program, if any reason was good enough for a missile defense, what North Korea is doing is as good as any. I think of missile defense like this, the cost of losing a major city to a missile attack will probably be greater than the cost of the defense. (not to mention the loss of human life)

___________________
Current fav albums

DNA, kick me up
Protoculture, Circadians

quote:

Originally posted by Yoepus IMHO NK is evil, and should be part of the axis. If they don't stop what they are doing soon, I can't but see either a failure of deterance and a weakening on the part of the USA, or war.

I dont see a war with North Korea on the horizon, just lots of talk. When North Korean troops march into South Korea, then you'll see a war.

___________________
Current fav albums

DNA, kick me up
Protoculture, Circadians

i was reading an involved diplomat story about this (forgot to bookmark ) basically it was saying that North Korea and some western countries (mostly UK and US) had agreed on good terms on stopping the dev. of nukes. but the US had become so arrogant and aggressive toward NK that these guys gave up and warned that they would restart all over again, i mean look guys its been a while since NK says it will restart and did any of you hear of a diplomatic mission to NK to discuss this... its like if we're saying, go ahead do your stuff, we'll bomb you either way

seriously, maybe there's some discussion, we don't know about and would never know about. all that matters is that NK will get bombed some day, no? the US is just waiting to see if the war on iraq will be enough to restart the american economy... if not, here we come NK!

___________________
[/IMG]http://i54.tinypic.com/ngycqo.png[/IMG]

quote:

Originally posted by Izzy if you were G.W.Bush what would you do? if you were the head of state of your own generic country what would you do? what should the UN do?

if I were GW Bush i would destroy my weapons of mass destruction to show a good example. Then ask _every_ country on the earth to do the same... or bomb them

___________________
[/IMG]http://i54.tinypic.com/ngycqo.png[/IMG]

even South Korea president is denouncing the US attitude...
I'm trying to find this same text in english, i'm still looking. basically he's saying: "we have to keep in mind that a failure in the american foreign policies is a life or death question for south koreans, but not for americans. South Koreas intrests should be placed first instead of american ones." hahahaha keep dreaming buddy

Le président sud-coréen critique la politique américaine sur le Nord

Agence France-Presse
Séoul

Le président élu de Corée du Sud, Roh Moo-hyun, a critiqué mardi la politique américaine de sanctions contre la Corée du nord pour la punir de relancer son programme nucléaire, réclamant que les intérêts de son pays soient davantage pris en considération.

Arrivée en Chine des derniers inspecteurs de l'AIEA en Corée du Nord

«On doit garder à l'esprit qu'un ratage de la politique américaine envers le Nord serait une question de vie ou de mort pour les Sud-coréens mais pas pour les Américains», a-t-il dit à la presse.

«En conséquence, toute action des États-Unis doit donner priorité à la position sud-coréenne», a dit M. Roh qui succède dans deux mois au président Kim Dae-Jung.

Le président Kim s'était déclaré lundi opposé à des sanctions économiques que pourraient réclamer les États-Unis contre la Corée du Nord, estimant qu'elles ne réussiraient pas à faire renoncer le régime à ses ambitions nucléaires.

Il a ajouté que sa politique de réconciliation avec Pyongyang représentait une manière «efficace» d'éviter un affrontement avec le régime nord-coréen sur ses ambitions nucléaires.

Ces commentaires répondent à des informations de la presse américaine sur une série de mesures politiques et économiques préparées par la Maison-Blanche dans la crise déclenchée par la relance du programme nucléaire nord-coréen.

M. Roh a été élu le 19 décembre sur un programme réclamant un rééquilibrage de l'alliance avec les États-Unis et défendant la coopération avec le Nord comme le meilleur moyen d'éviter un nouveau conflit dévastateur dans la péninsule.

«Je suis sceptique quant à l'efficacité de la politique américaine d'endiguement sur mesure pour contenir le Nord ou le forcer à se rendre», a dit M. Roh.

«Elle ne constituerait pas une authentique coordination politique si les États-Unis devaient la décider de manière unilatérale et le gouvernement sud-coréen l'accepter», a dit le prochain président sud-coréen.

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/reseau/mo...2120175497.html

___________________
[/IMG]http://i54.tinypic.com/ngycqo.png[/IMG]

honestly, this is a tough one to decide what to do... im not sure what the best thing to do is but if i were the US i would ironically do something i generally appose. i'd take the isolationist way and stay bunkered in nice and peacefully in my country guarded by an advanced missle defense program as Verona^My said, after all NK wouldnt be a direct threat then (they wouldnt be dumb enough to invade US). however they are indirectly threatening the world as a whole (ill get to that later). thats why i think the UN (even though i hate them) or the world in general (each counrties ambassadors) especially those that are close such as SK, china, russia and japan, should deal with it. i think people fail to realize what a grave danger this could become. firstly this would be the first time in history where NK could have a nuclear program that is unmonitered (even the US is monitered by the UN agencies) and be left with, in a matter of days, everything needed to make more bombs. the reason i see this as a threat is because based on history i dont trust NK to keep that technology to itself only (otherwise i wouldnt care). seeing as it has sold scuds to yemen recently and many other weaponary is sold by NK to factions all over the world. NK is such an isolated state that basicly the only thing it can export is black market stuff. who's to say NK wouldnt sell them to the same orginizations that bombed the resort in bali, who's to say they wont sell them to saddam, who's to say he wont sell them to the orginizations who bombed the hotels and embassies in kenya. NK would have the power to build and sell nuke missles, nuke suitcase bombs, depleted ammunition, etc. with no monitoring what so ever quite frankly im scared for the safety of the world.

___________________
If God is the answer, it must have been a very stupid question.

selling scud missiles isn't black market, they are conventional missiles. its very legal, thats why spain and the US gave them back to Yemen, cause they can't do anything about it.

___________________
[/IMG]http://i54.tinypic.com/ngycqo.png[/IMG]