Heres a debate for you all... After continuous muderous acts of terrorism (ie. jan 5th, 20 dead, 115+ injured in tel aviv) does the PA deserve talks of a palistinian statehood? is it right to reward terrorists with what they want because we are scared of them? It is very clear that direct links between these terror groups and arafat exist. Arafats own Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade took responsibility for the latest massacre of innocent lives. Who nogotiates with terrorists?? why does the world put emense pressure on israel to sit down for peace when while they are in peace talks, arafat will send in more homicide bombers.

do you guys even understand that israeli national defence agencies thwart over 90% of would be bombers and shooters!!

if it wasn't for the massive buildup of israeli forces i cant imagine how much more blood would have to be spilled. how many more families have to mourne, and how many more young lives lost!

I SALUTE ISRAEL, ITS GOVERNMENT, AND ITS DECISIONS TO GO IN AFTER THE TERRORIST WHEREVER THEY MAY BE HIDING. THANK YOU FOR TRYING YOUR BEST TO KEEP THE ISRAELI STREETS SAFE OF DIRTY KILLERS. ONCE AGAIN, I SALUTE YOU!


What do you guys have to say about this? would you agree to reward terrorists?

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Originally posted by melech_mike Heres a debate for you all... After continuous muderous acts of terrorism (ie. jan 5th, 20 dead, 115+ injured in tel aviv) does the PA deserve talks of a palistinian statehood? is it right to reward terrorists with what they want because we are scared of them? It is very clear that direct links between these terror groups and arafat exist. Arafats own Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade took responsibility for the latest massacre of innocent lives. Who nogotiates with terrorists?? why does the world put emense pressure on israel to sit down for peace when while they are in peace talks, arafat will send in more homicide bombers. do you guys even understand that israeli national defence agencies thwart over 90% of would be bombers and shooters!! if it wasn't for the massive buildup of israeli forces i cant imagine how much more blood would have to be spilled. how many more families have to mourne, and how many more young lives lost! I SALUTE ISRAEL, ITS GOVERNMENT, AND ITS DECISIONS TO GO IN AFTER THE TERRORIST WHEREVER THEY MAY BE HIDING. THANK YOU FOR TRYING YOUR BEST TO KEEP THE ISRAELI STREETS SAFE OF DIRTY KILLERS. ONCE AGAIN, I SALUTE YOU! What do you guys have to say about this? would you agree to reward terrorists?

How are you so certain that Arafat is responsible....did he say... "I DID THIS"....no

Infact.. the PA has condemed this attack in news braodcasts.

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Until the Palestinian authorities demonstrate control over their populace, any negotiations with them are inherently meaningless. Hence, until such a time as they do establish control of their populace, I cannot support negotiating with them.

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Originally posted by Arbiter Until the Palestinian authorities demonstrate control over their populace, any negotiations with them are inherently meaningless. Hence, until such a time as they do establish control of their populace, I cannot support negotiating with them.

unfortuneately the palestinian authorities have no means of controlling the populace, due to fact the palestinian police force having no power whatsoever, or being attacked by Israeli gunships. How can you exert control with no power, you can't.
Personally I think negotiations are a complete waste of time whilst Mr Ariel "I want to be just like Adolf" Sharon is part of the Israeli political setup.
And it's a crying shame, because this conflict is definately one of the main reasons this world is such a fucked up place to be living in.

he doesn't have to say 'i did this'. by him not taking control of terror operatives in the PA controled area make him a terrorist himself. he aids them with international fund, and i still dont understand how stupid the EU is for continuing to fund their terror regime after how many millions of Aid $$ went missing. we busted the weapons that we're on the way to arafats regime... where did the money for that come from???

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Originally posted by melech_mike he doesn't have to say 'i did this'. by him not taking control of terror operatives in the PA controled area make him a terrorist himself. he aids them with international fund, and i still dont understand how stupid the EU is for continuing to fund their terror regime after how many millions of Aid $$ went missing. we busted the weapons that we're on the way to arafats regime... where did the money for that come from???

You are accusing.. and wil never be able to prove that he is giving them funds to enforce terrorism.

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Originally posted by Az unfortuneately the palestinian authorities have no means of controlling the populace, due to fact the palestinian police force having no power whatsoever, or being attacked by Israeli gunships. How can you exert control with no power, you can't. Personally I think negotiations are a complete waste of time whilst Mr Ariel "I want to be just like Adolf" Sharon is part of the Israeli political setup. And it's a crying shame, because this conflict is definately one of the main reasons this world is such a fucked up place to be living in.

A very valid point. If Israel is serious about negotiations, they would have to take the step of allowing the Palestinians to establish a serious police force, and I definitely think they ought to.

I kind of agree with you that Sharon is not the man for the job. Even if is serious about peace, I doubt the palestinians would ever trust him.

Common sense is sometimes more valuable than written proof.

Arafat is a terrorist!
the US knows it and isn't doing anything about it only b/c of their interests with the arab world and iraq!

When the upcoming gulf war is done with... arafat will be exiled!!

ohh what a good year it will be!!



ohh, and cyrus... do you support arafat and his guvernment?
why or why not?

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Originally posted by melech_mike Common sense is sometimes more valuable than written proof. Arafat is a terrorist! the US knows it and isn't doing anything about it only b/c of their interests with the arab world and iraq! When the upcoming gulf war is done with... arafat will be exiled!! ohh what a good year it will be!! ohh, and cyrus... do you support arafat and his guvernment? why or why not?

I am still uncertain about Arafat.. as i think he has taken some of the funds under his own hand for luxury.. but i havent found any hard core evidence that he supports terrorism.. so in a way.. i support his intentions to "liberate " the palestinians.

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Originally posted by Arbiter I kind of agree with you that Sharon is not the man for the job. Even if is serious about peace, I doubt the palestinians would ever trust him.

only the palestinians?? I don't trust him, and I'm utterly ashamed that my government has any dealings with the man whatsoever

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Originally posted by melech_mike Common sense is sometimes more valuable than written proof. Arafat is a terrorist!

get your coat

sorry I was too busy laughing at the previous post to read the rest of it

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Originally posted by melech_mike the US knows it and isn't doing anything about it only b/c of their interests with the arab world and iraq! When the upcoming gulf war is done with... arafat will be exiled!! ohh what a good year it will be!!

Firstly, someone please tell me if I'm wrong, Yasser Arafat isn't on the list of known terrorists, and none of the organisations he is officially affiliated with have had assets seized by either the US or the UK (I say officially, because people have said on this board he's the leader of Hamas and other groups on this board, without a shred of evidence, and in this day and age, everybody knows everything about everyone else). Thats why the US haven't done anything (which surprises me, as they seem to supply Israel with enough weaponry to persecute his people......but thats another argument, which I've been drawn into before, and dont feel like arguing at this time )
Do you actually think the upcoming Gulf war is a good thing??? Careful lads, we've got a live one!. This war has been started by the same people that started the last gulf war, and for nothing as noble as defending the good people of Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Israel etc... It's because of Oil, plain and simple. The west is running out, and one of the few places on earth that still has shitloads is Iraq ,why does it have shitloads? oh yes, trading sanctions, heavily supported by Saudi Arabia + other Oil Rich arab countries so they can monopolise the oil market!, and the last thing the US would want to do is lift the sanctions and line Saddams pockets
Also notice under the EIGHT years of the Clinton administration, war was always the last resort, and always averted, and as soon as the big W comes to power, it was the first thing that comes to mind. Might because both Bushes (Senior and Junior), and a fair few of the big guns in his administration (I'll get the names and business involved tomorrow if you want), stand to make a killingthrough the oil that will be procured from Iraq.
Not to mention the huge amount of tension that a war will cause in the middle east, plus the increased risk in terrorist attacks.
Anyone that can possibly agree with a new gulf war is a retard in truest sense of the word.

Az.. you took the words right out of my mouth....

Melech mike obviously hopes for bloodshed in the new year.. but cries about it when his people are affected... what a hipocrate.

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