One thing that none of us ever seem to be discusing is the actual inspectors in Iraq, many hi level officials both in the U.S and other area's think that the inspectors are a sham, incapable of doing a good job. And while I'm no expert on them or weapons inspecting, it does seem awfully strange that they keep on visiting the same factories over and over again, and not spending much if any time at the diffrent Presidential Palaces, where many believe any weapons Iraq has are stored.

Anyways who here things Iraq really is clean? If not, where would you search for them, and who do you blame for them not beind discovered?

the USA says they know for a fact that there's weapons hidden. ok fine, just say where they are and the inspectors will find them. but this isn't the case, this then leaves us with two options,

1- the USA is lying and there's no such thing as WMD, thats why the inspectors aren't finding anything,

or

2- the USA isn't lying, they know where they are but aren't telling because the want a war with Iraq.

I think number 2 is whats happening.

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I agree with ahlamalek & I think that the US should clarify their position because right now the seem like blood-thirsty warmongers to the rest of the world. I think we all agree that if Iraq posseses weapons of mass destruction then they should be destroyed, but it is better for it to be done peacefully. Let's not forget that the Iraqi ppl have suffered a lot in the last years with the embargo & everything.

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Originally posted by ahlamalek the USA says they know for a fact that there's weapons hidden. ok fine, just say where they are and the inspectors will find them. but this isn't the case, this then leaves us with two options, 1- the USA is lying and there's no such thing as WMD, thats why the inspectors aren't finding anything, or 2- the USA isn't lying, they know where they are but aren't telling because the want a war with Iraq. I think number 2 is whats happening.

So, picture this..... if we know about the weapons and tell everyone about it what happens to our intelligence sources? You give them away, you will lose everything. I honestly want to see this evidence before we send our troops in, but I also know it is not always wise to divulge sensitive information to please the masses. I think every government and person over the IQ of 30 should know this as well.

i don't want to know where Saddam hid his weapons, I want the inspectors to know, the US must give this info to them.

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You know...If I were Saddam, I would divulge the truth about everything. "We have this, that, this and of course that." Then, and only then, would I love to see how the US Gov. would react to Iraq coming clean. If we take this a step further, whereby Saddam would actual disarm his WMD, I'd like to know if the US would step back and commend him for doing so, or would they find other issues, enabling them to go to war to overthrow his regime.

How do you find out if a country is war hungry? By cooperating with all their and the UN's demands (and then some), and see if this appeases them. If they continue, then you know they're up to no good.

We'll see.
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Originally posted by ahlamalek i don't want to know where Saddam hid his weapons, I want the inspectors to know, the US must give this info to them.

i do see your point, and I agree.. they (the insepectors should know) where they are. however, again if some information is divulged it can be traced back to its source. if the US tells the inspectors that weapon x is here and only 10 people know about weapon x being at that location, it would be quite simple to figure out who is talking.

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Originally posted by Trance Plant You know...If I were Saddam, I would divulge the truth about everything. "We have this, that, this and of course that." Then, and only then, would I love to see how the US Gov. would react to Iraq coming clean. If we take this a step further, whereby Saddam would actual disarm his WMD, I'd like to know if the US would step back and commend him for doing so, or would they find other issues, enabling them to go to war to overthrow his regime. How do you find out if a country is war hungry? By cooperating with all their and the UN's demands (and then some), and see if this appeases them. If they continue, then you know they're up to no good. We'll see. TP

I would like to know how we would respond too... hopefully we do back off........ more importantly, I hope Bush doesnt win the next election id rather see hillary clinton in office than bush for another term

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Originally posted by intrinsic id rather see hillary clinton in office than bush for another term

hehe i saw hillary last night on Hardball with Chris Matthews (on his college tour, i think they were at U of Albany) honestly i wanna say i wasnt at all impressed with her. she seemed to just be pamdering both sides (something her husband was excellent at doing) without really giving any real solutions to the problems she was asked about.

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Originally posted by Izzy hehe i saw hillary last night on Hardball with Chris Matthews (on his college tour, i think they were at U of Albany) honestly i wanna say i wasnt at all impressed with her. she seemed to just be pamdering both sides (something her husband was excellent at doing) without really giving any real solutions to the problems she was asked about.

im not that impressed with her either, but she would 10 times better than Bush...... i just wish colin powell would run for president, on a democrat ticket of course

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Originally posted by Trance Plant You know...If I were Saddam, I would divulge the truth about everything. "We have this, that, this and of course that." Then, and only then, would I love to see how the US Gov. would react to Iraq coming clean. If we take this a step further, whereby Saddam would actual disarm his WMD, I'd like to know if the US would step back and commend him for doing so, or would they find other issues, enabling them to go to war to overthrow his regime. How do you find out if a country is war hungry? By cooperating with all their and the UN's demands (and then some), and see if this appeases them. If they continue, then you know they're up to no good. We'll see. TP

actually, saddam accepted that any place in Iraq could be visited without any restriction. we're not that far from the situation you're actually describing... inspectors are inspecting and there's nothing.

do you remember when there was all this media buzz about iraq accepting inspection, and then the US and UK saying right away, this doesn't matter because there will be war bla bla... i mean for Christ's sake go find the weapons and disearm, do you have to make war at all cost??

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That's my point exactly! Sadam said that the inspectors will be free to visit anything they want & so far I have heard no complains that they're obstructed in anyway. So I don't see the reason to go to war. If the US or Britain know sth more they should share it with the inspectors so they can get a clear picture of the situation.

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