I'm all for a world government.
Not gonna happen for a long time if not never.
It'll take a huge event for the process to even begin to start.

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Originally posted by montie I'm all for a world government. Not gonna happen for a long time if not never. It'll take a huge event for the process to even begin to start.

I have heard people in the know personally tell me that 60 years is long enough to see some definite results of what has been in the works for decades. Thank about it, how many large democratic nations are there now?? Even China is starting to behave like a Democracy in some ways. So how hard would it be for these existing countries to turn the rest to democracy’s one at a time? After which it’s a simple task of strengthening and remodeling the U.N. right?

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The world government would be a nice thing if it was created in a proper way. However, it is a question whether all the countries are willing to give up their national sovereignity for a higher cause. You see how hard it is for Europe to unite. Although that is mainly Britain's fault.

The problem with oil is that regardless of its resources being depleted, the big oil companies are still claiming that oil is the best energent and are actively working against nuclear power which is the only real alternative. If it weren't for those companies and for their involvement in american government, most of the world would be running on nuclear power instead of oil. Besides, we wouldn't have to worry about pollution and greenhouse effect. Since we know all about nuclear power, there won't be a total catastrophe when the oil runs out, cause we'll just switch to nuclear power. It is sad however that we have to wait for oil to run out to turn to better/cheaper/more efficient sources, and we have to do that just because of the corporate interests.

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Originally posted by Vesa I personally don't believe that human nature ever permits such a change, even though it would be critical for the survival of the mankind.

Nice post Vesa, what do u mean by this tho ? I would imagine that people would love it considering all the benefiets.

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I used to be interested in subjects like this in school, so I learned a little...

Basically, the problem with the oil is a big problem, but not as big as we thought... there are many new ways of producing electricity and getting around the need for fossil fuels, but the reason they are not becoming mainstream is for 'bush & co.' rich oil producers that don't want it to end now. Hydrogen cars etc are ready for production on large scale, but oil is such an essential part of the economy its not easy to remove it now..

But i'm a little hazy on the subject to be honest and objective, so guys please fill me in if i'm wrong!

Political factors stop the progres of alternative fuel methods.

On the middle east agenda... I don't think the arab countries are so united as you think. On some issues, like Israel, they are united like protons and electrons, but on other issues, they usually end up fighting or not agreeing. Oil is no exception. Even if Iraq goes down (G-d willing!), there are secret reasons why the arab world doesn't want it to happen (for 1, Iraq is a spearhead for the terrorist industry... providing bombs, chemicals, and everything else under the sun to all the groups in iran, syria, palestinian authority etc...) and the arab world uniting against US by stopping oil production? Last time I checked the major way for all these arab countries to make money is by exporting their oil! It's all they have!!... well syria has a 5 billion dollar drug industry... but thats different!

A world government I think would not be able to maintain any level of calm around the world, as we have so many people with so many opinions, everyone uniting under 1 man/woman is laughable in my opinion! We have so many countries as it is, and more are breaking apart form each other then getting together.. unless you meant like a more meaningful UN?? I think the UN is crap, and I feel so good seeing all you guys thinking the same thing!

So if the UN is crap, how much better could a bigger and more powerful version be? for me, being from canada, but with a jewish connection to Israel, I see it as a way for the world gov't to destroy anyone who it opposes... kinda like the imperial forces in star wars.... 1 way to unite us all??

If you ask me what will bring world peace, its nothing new. Everyone realizing that G-d created us, and wants to see us finally realize this, and put G-d above ourselves, and do what we do today, but have G-d in our minds and we unite on the level of us being his children, and work it from there..

thats the only way. G-d by any definition is perfection. So for those who are athiests, we can still agree, if you say that perfection, in its perfect harmonious way is the ultimate goal that we can try hard to reach, and that is what we must do. (also we must have a clear universal definition of perfection! i say the definition is: lacking nothing. what do you guys think?? :rolleyes

now the next goal if we can think like this, is how can we hammer out a method to bring this idea into reality... What laws are needed? what ways of running our lives? What is demanded of us to bring perfection of ourselves???

So while one would see this as trying to emulate the ways of G-d, one who doesn't believe in G-d can see it as a way to emulate perfection, because ultimately, G-d is perfection, and we all ultimately try to 'better ourselves'. so why not seriously try to go the next step and perfect ourselves!!!!!

Shlomo Eliyahu Baron!!

I like the religus touch Shlomo, However i never said the Arab countrys are allied in any way, i said "if they did". No matter what happens with forming large govenments there are always people who wont like the deal or feal that it goes against there beliefs or lyfestyle. At the end of the day we have to ask ourselves if we live in semi/issolated countrys never working together for the sake of regecting change and claiming that "evil" greedy peps will take advantage or do we work together hang the expense and adapt change and mold new mentalities in order to get allong especialy when it comes to religion. I peronsonaly think peps take that stuff WAY to seriously and expecialy scince there have been tonz of religions come and go over time. I mean weve got howmany people saying there religion is the ONLY one and are willing to bound on anyone who says otherwise? please give me a break. Religion is good for many peps but fighting over it, or "defending yourself" against outside influences that are compleatly unstopable is kinda childish.

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good topic, mental exodus. i've cut and pasted my previous reply to u, and am adding some more.

yes. wars these days r fought 4 oil. the next stage will b war 4 water. and little is done to takle the problem at it's roots. the problem is that too much power is in the hads of the oil industry, the small elite that owns it, and the governments who r in their pockets.
now people like bush c oil as an essential part of capitalism. cutting oil usage, he says, is against the interests of america. it would damage industry, the stock-market, and ultimately the whole western way of life.
i disagree. capitalism is built on growth. the expansion of markets, the continuous increase of investment, production and consumption. oil provides much of the energy to achieve this, so removing it, according to those who have little imagination, would undermine the whole system. but oil is a limited resource, and were it truely fundamental to the system that takes infinity as a prerequisite to it's existance, capitalism would b short-lived.

so, the substitution of oil, and this is what many can't see, is fundamental to capitalism. and it's possible.
not only is it possible, it would b a benefit. energy efficiency and new, cleaner sources of energy, new materials and their use have an enourmous economic potential. research, production (or reproduction?)... a whole new industry for capitalism to thrive and grow on. oil could then b used in much better ways: for example with the oil burned in a second in a motorcar u can produce 1000 t-shirts.
a few people would loose some of their wealth: oil tycoons and the odd sheiik, but few people will cry 4 them.
the EU has begun to make it's first tentative steps in this direction, and i strongly encourage them to further these efforts.
this is another reason why bush and his administration are seriously wrong. if europe undertakes this new path with more zeal, it might well return to being the main world-power in 50 years time. some US industries r aware of this, but all efforts r stiffled by an overpowerful oil industry.
oh, and let us not forget the environmental issue. i'll write about when i have a few more minutes

vesa makes some similar point in discussing the global power structure at the moment. the way i see it, no matter what religion, political or economic structure a region or the world has had, there have always been individuals, or small groups of individuals, who have come out on top at the expense of others. and when revolutions overthrew these, they just ended up substituting an elite whith another. maybe it's just the perverse way of evolution: the people best equipped for the environment they live in comes out on top. in humans, the best equipment is knowledge. many people use their power in a good and charitable way, but not all. many r far to selfish.

so, were a new world government to b created, i have little reason to imagine that things would go in a different way.
that's for power structures. then there's the fact that far too many people don't have the means or the ability to accept other views and ways of life. all wars and conflicts, large or small, have been fought over religion or resources, often with one as an excuse to the other. despite the technology we have today, where u can chat to a person on the other side of the world, or on the moon for that matter, not everyone has access to these means, and even many of those who do remain impregnable to outside influence. they stay stuck in their old ways and remain aggressive towards what they see as 'the other', resulting in more or less continuous conflict. look at many african or asian states, look at the middle east or northern irland.
no. i have little faith in humans. not in individuals: some people achieve extrodinary things: great acts of charity, invention, genius, and so on. but for each of these there is a negative example, and there is always someone who benefits over others.

so, in my humble opinion, if there ever will be a new world government, a truely globally just one, star trek style, it certainly won't b for a long time yet.
that doesn't stop us from trying, of course

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Originally posted by NFA so, in my humble opinion, if there ever will be a new world government, a truely globally just one, star trek style, it certainly won't b for a long time yet. that doesn't stop us from trying, of course

How long is long?? 60 years? 600?

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Originally posted by Mental Exodus How long is long?? 60 years? 600?

don't know. the question is: will it take longer than it takes for us to destroy ourselves? or will it happen b4 that, ensuring our survival?

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Originally posted by NFA a few people would loose some of their wealth: oil tycoons and the odd sheiik, but few people will cry 4 them.

Actually this is untrue, I watched the American controlled media conglomerate the other day and they were talking about Kuwait...

Kuwaits entire economy is based on oil, the end of oil, would mean pretty much absolute poverty for many people in Arab countries that sell oil around the world.

Dont get me wrong, alternative energy is desirable for the world, and ultimately necessary cause oil will run out, but countries that have oil as a resource would lose a lot, & the hundreds of millions of people that live in them as well.

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Originally posted by Verona^My Actually this is untrue, I watched the American controlled media conglomerate the other day and they were talking about Kuwait... Kuwaits entire economy is based on oil, the end of oil, would mean pretty much absolute poverty for many people in Arab countries that sell oil around the world. Dont get me wrong, alternative energy is desirable for the world, and ultimately necessary cause oil will run out, but countries that have oil as a resource would lose a lot, & the hundreds of millions of people that live in them as well.

in countries like kuwait, the emirates, or saudi arabia yes. it's not always the case though: look at nigeria. virtually nobody benefits from the oil industry. quite the opposite, the people have been kicked off the land.
countries that depend on oil should start to use their wealth to diversify their economy, as oman is, or else they'll b in 4 a nasty surprise one day.

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