never has israel threatened anything on America. In fact quite the opposite! They work more closely they any of you can imagine.

look at this palestinian legislator threatens US with suicide bomber!

these dirtbags need to be stomped on. Everything on the east side of the jordan river was designated to its rightful owner. But these pigs can't handle that and the baby world cries whenever any justice is served!!! Well we are slowly losing our country, our pride, and our way of life, just to conform to the worlds demands.

Would Russia do this in our place? Or Germany? Or Sweden? Or America???? I doubt it. Jews are the worlds punching bag, as long as jews don't realize who they are, A PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE PROUD, not a people who should hide in the dark and 'clothe' themselves in foreign ideologies. Jews should act like jews, after all they are the only civilization that exists from the biblical ages, (as noted by christians around the world, and muslims in fact too!)

I'm sure with thousands of years of leadership and stories and books, and laws, (jewish law was what the ancient babylonians based their laws from, and thus we have the roots of todays modern laws) so why don't the jews act according to their own laws? but instead take a 'remixed' version done by whatever handful of countries that they can dwell in?

puzzling questions. I think when things are foggy, and unclear in a moment like now, in a few years when someone is gonna take a risk out there, leadership wise, and try something new, we will see the fog start to clear.

what part will we play??

SHLOMO

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Originally posted by shlomo_hamalech never has israel threatened anything on America. In fact quite the opposite! They work more closely they any of you can imagine. look at this palestinian legislator threatens US with suicide bomber! these dirtbags need to be stomped on. Everything on the east side of the jordan river was designated to its rightful owner. But these pigs can't handle that and the baby world cries whenever any justice is served!!! Well we are slowly losing our country, our pride, and our way of life, just to conform to the worlds demands. Would Russia do this in our place? Or Germany? Or Sweden? Or America???? I doubt it. Jews are the worlds punching bag, as long as jews don't realize who they are, A PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE PROUD, not a people who should hide in the dark and 'clothe' themselves in foreign ideologies. Jews should act like jews, after all they are the only civilization that exists from the biblical ages, (as noted by christians around the world, and muslims in fact too!) I'm sure with thousands of years of leadership and stories and books, and laws, (jewish law was what the ancient babylonians based their laws from, and thus we have the roots of todays modern laws) so why don't the jews act according to their own laws? but instead take a 'remixed' version done by whatever handful of countries that they can dwell in? puzzling questions. I think when things are foggy, and unclear in a moment like now, in a few years when someone is gonna take a risk out there, leadership wise, and try something new, we will see the fog start to clear. what part will we play?? SHLOMO

u make me sick, you NAZI!!!!
crawl back to the hole u came from to your hitler leader and don't come back.
u take over someone's land, kick them out, remove all their rights, destroy their houses to build your own, kill their children.... and u expect them not to react?????? what planet r u from????

i'm not saying arafat is mr. nice, or that terrorists r right, but what goes round comes round, every action has a reaction, such are the laws of the universe.

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Originally posted by shlomo_hamalech never has israel threatened anything on America. In fact quite the opposite! They work more closely they any of you can imagine. look at this palestinian legislator threatens US with suicide bomber! these dirtbags need to be stomped on. Everything on the east side of the jordan river was designated to its rightful owner. But these pigs can't handle that and the baby world cries whenever any justice is served!!! Well we are slowly losing our country, our pride, and our way of life, just to conform to the worlds demands. Would Russia do this in our place? Or Germany? Or Sweden? Or America???? I doubt it. Jews are the worlds punching bag, as long as jews don't realize who they are, A PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE PROUD, not a people who should hide in the dark and 'clothe' themselves in foreign ideologies. Jews should act like jews, after all they are the only civilization that exists from the biblical ages, (as noted by christians around the world, and muslims in fact too!) I'm sure with thousands of years of leadership and stories and books, and laws, (jewish law was what the ancient babylonians based their laws from, and thus we have the roots of todays modern laws) so why don't the jews act according to their own laws? but instead take a 'remixed' version done by whatever handful of countries that they can dwell in? puzzling questions. I think when things are foggy, and unclear in a moment like now, in a few years when someone is gonna take a risk out there, leadership wise, and try something new, we will see the fog start to clear. what part will we play?? SHLOMO

Has Melech-mike been cloned?

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Originally posted by NFA u take over someone's land, kick them out, remove all their rights, destroy their houses to build your own, kill their children.... and u expect them not to react?????? what planet r u from????

Last time I checked there weren't any Native Americans going around trying to blow up American civilians.

I wonder why that might be. Maybe it's because when fate handed them a shitty fortune, they decided to try and make the best of it despite their misfortunes instead of just feeling sorry for themselves and projecting their frustrations onto others in the form of violence. Is that too much to ask from the Palestinians? I don't think so. I'll start caring about Palestinians problems when they start acting mature and/or responsible.

To me its unconscionable why people keep making excuses for the Palestinians behavior. The fact of the matter is that it's no way to behave under any circumstances - period. It doesn't matter how oppressed they are. For fuck sake, there have been thousands of peoples in the history of the world who have suffered more brutal oppression than the Palestinians and yet who had the moral fiber not to resort to terrorism. Frankly, I believe anyone who sympathizes with the Palestinians is part of the problem because they're encouraging this sort of behavior which ought not to be encouraged.

Furthermore, a preponderance of individuals, many of whom normally seem to be rational and intelligent people, have the audacity to compare Palestinian terrorism to Israeli military activity against the Palestinians as equal evils. This is so preposterous, so utterly ludicrous, that it makes me want to reclassify myself as a different species to dissociate myself from anyone or anything that could possibly have conceived this notion. Let me draw this out in crayon for anyone who may not follow: the sole and exclusive cause of Israeli military exercises against the Palestinians is the terrorism of the Palestinians. That is to say, Israel's military activity against Palestinians is one of the negative effects of Palestinian terrorism. It is the Palestinians themselves whose actions are producing this result.

Do I think Israeli military actions which result in the death of Palestinian civilians are a good thing? No, of course not. But Israel is under constant attack. What do you expect them to do, respond with charity? If someone came up to you on the street, and started punching you in the face, would you give them your wallet, or would you fight back? If you give them your wallet, you become part of the problem by providing positive feedback to their undesirable activity. A reasonable person my not particuarly want to hurt the person who is assaulting him, but presented by such a situation, he really has no choice.

So I ask you, sir, what planet are you from? Because it appears to me it is one where good and evil have undergone some form of juxtaposition. You compare Sharon to Hitler, but last time I checked, there weren't many Jews strapping bombs to their backs in early 20th century Germany. You cry about the horrible fate of the Palestinians, but yet you can't be bothered to give a second thought to the horrible precedent that is already being set by negotiating with terrorists. Don't you see how many people will die in the future because of your legitimization of terrorism as a means for obtaining political redress? Where is your sympathy for them and their loved ones?

If the Palestinians want justice, I don't have a problem with it. But they have to choose a different way to express their frustrations than terrorism first. If you want to be treated in a civil manner, you ought to behave in such a manner yourself. Otherwise, you're nothing more than a hypocrite.

Regards,

Arbiter

I'm a pussy. I'm not gonna even TOUCH this topic.

why don't the moderators ban people that have nothing to do with trance and who post in politics.... this has became ridiculous.

after melech_mike now this shlomo_shit dude

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never has israel threatened anything on America. In fact quite the opposite! They work more closely they any of you can imagine.

Now that isnt quite true. Israeli warplanes attacked a US warship which I think was called the Liberty killing quite a few sailors.

And before I get flamed. It DID happen, whether it was an accident or not I really dont know.

There was also the 'Lavon' affair in the early 1950's where Israeli agents were to attack american interests in Egypt and make it look like the arabs did it to draw america closer to Israel, this was in the days before Israel became an american client state.

There was also an Israeli spy whose name escapes me who obtained top level secrets from the US government on behalf of Israel.

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If the Palestinians want justice, I don't have a problem with it. But they have to choose a different way to express their frustrations than terrorism first. If you want to be treated in a civil manner, you ought to behave in such a manner yourself. Otherwise, you're nothing more than a hypocrite.

What fate would the Palestinians have if they didnt resort to violence. If the Jews have their way, Jordan would be Palestine. Sharon has said so. So if you come back on me and say that isnt true, i will provide the quotes.

A large body of the Israeli population want to finish the job started in 1948 and 1967 and clear the occupied territories of the remaining arabs and make it safe for the settlers. However you cant just come out and do it because this might offend america so you come up with the scam of collective punishment. How does destroying palestinian farms, smashing up palestinian markets, depriving palestinians of basic water rights act as a deterent to terrorism.

The terrorism is just a ruse, in fact you people secretly want it as an excuse to make life utterly intolerable for the people still there so they will be forced to move just like you people did to the arabs in 1948.

However unlike in 1948, Israel wont get away with it.

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Originally posted by Arbiter Last time I checked there weren't any Native Americans going around trying to blow up American civilians. I wonder why that might be. Maybe it's because when fate handed them a shitty fortune, they decided to try and make the best of it despite their misfortunes instead of just feeling sorry for themselves and projecting their frustrations onto others in the form of violence. Is that too much to ask from the Palestinians? I don't think so. I'll start caring about Palestinians problems when they start acting mature and/or responsible. To me its unconscionable why people keep making excuses for the Palestinians behavior. The fact of the matter is that it's no way to behave under any circumstances - period. It doesn't matter how oppressed they are. For fuck sake, there have been thousands of peoples in the history of the world who have suffered more brutal oppression than the Palestinians and yet who had the moral fiber not to resort to terrorism. Frankly, I believe anyone who sympathizes with the Palestinians is part of the problem because they're encouraging this sort of behavior which ought not to be encouraged. Furthermore, a preponderance of individuals, many of whom normally seem to be rational and intelligent people, have the audacity to compare Palestinian terrorism to Israeli military activity against the Palestinians as equal evils. This is so preposterous, so utterly ludicrous, that it makes me want to reclassify myself as a different species to dissociate myself from anyone or anything that could possibly have conceived this notion. Let me draw this out in crayon for anyone who may not follow: the sole and exclusive cause of Israeli military exercises against the Palestinians is the terrorism of the Palestinians. That is to say, Israel's military activity against Palestinians is one of the negative effects of Palestinian terrorism. It is the Palestinians themselves whose actions are producing this result. Do I think Israeli military actions which result in the death of Palestinian civilians are a good thing? No, of course not. But Israel is under constant attack. What do you expect them to do, respond with charity? If someone came up to you on the street, and started punching you in the face, would you give them your wallet, or would you fight back? If you give them your wallet, you become part of the problem by providing positive feedback to their undesirable activity. A reasonable person my not particuarly want to hurt the person who is assaulting him, but presented by such a situation, he really has no choice. So I ask you, sir, what planet are you from? Because it appears to me it is one where good and evil have undergone some form of juxtaposition. You compare Sharon to Hitler, but last time I checked, there weren't many Jews strapping bombs to their backs in early 20th century Germany. You cry about the horrible fate of the Palestinians, but yet you can't be bothered to give a second thought to the horrible precedent that is already being set by negotiating with terrorists. Don't you see how many people will die in the future because of your legitimization of terrorism as a means for obtaining political redress? Where is your sympathy for them and their loved ones? If the Palestinians want justice, I don't have a problem with it. But they have to choose a different way to express their frustrations than terrorism first. If you want to be treated in a civil manner, you ought to behave in such a manner yourself. Otherwise, you're nothing more than a hypocrite. Regards, Arbiter

Although I will say that arbiter presents a very convincing and coherent argument. I won't go so far to say that I understand what kind of situation that they are in that would warrant such tactics, however I will say that perhaps their method should be examined more so than their cause.

You know I read somewhere recently that two-thirds (or so, its a bit foggy) that Israelis were withdraw from the West Bank if it meant the end of the intifada and about 67% of Palestinians said they would stop the intifiada if it would end the occupation.

I know it's easy for me some 4000 miles away from the violence to say so but the only issue it seems to me is a real lack of trust, which I totally understand. But one side must take the first step if this is to be over.

get a clue!!! a few of you, like Arbiter , sounds like they know what they are talking about.

but for the rest of you, no offence, but you in the world, I know because you live like me in a free society, you feel you have the right to stick your nose whereever you please and add your 'needed' two cents, but lets be honest guys! most of you from what your saying have no idae what your talking about!!

Firstly, the 'occupation' is full of crap!! the P.L.O. was established in around 1963, AROUND 4 YEARS BEFORE ISRAEL CONQUERED THE AREA OF BIBLICAL ISRAEL, IN A DEFENSIVE BATTLE!!!

lol ISrael is the only country to get scorned from what it conquered in a DEFENSIVE BATTLE!!! LOLOLOLOL

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The terrorism is just a ruse, in fact you people secretly want it as an excuse to make life utterly intolerable for the people still there so they will be forced to move just like you people did to the arabs in 1948.

How can any of you say anything? and that little 'not like what they did in 1948'! YOUR SO IGNORANT I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU!!! HOW ACN WAKE UP EVERYDAY NOT KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT YOU TALK ABOUT!?!?!?
ISRAEL WAS CREATED FROM HANDFULS OF JEWS COMING FROM THEIR CONCENTRATION CAMPS!!!!

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u make me sick, you NAZI!!!! crawl back to the hole u came from to your hitler leader and don't come back. u take over someone's land, kick them out, remove all their rights, destroy their houses to build your own, kill their children.... and u expect them not to react?????? what planet r u from????

And thank you for comparing me to the nazi's you successfully established yourself as non-intellectual-filth-spewing hate filled individual, that when seeing something they're weak mind can't grasp because they are only listening to one side of the story they spew out filth, just to personally hurt the person behind your unfounded anger.

Btw, it was the arabs themselves that told their families to move from the holy land of Israel (thank G-d we have again, it has been over 2000 years since we made the mistake of betraying our ways as jews and we lost it!!! but never again!!!).

None of you can touch this subject against me. I was mearly posting that about the palestinian.

But as we always see, even when Israel is mentioned, but the SUBJECT IS ABOUT PALESTINIANS THREATENING AMERICA, we find that it comes back to bashing jews and israel. Give it up you anti-semite lowlives!! YOU HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DESTROY THE JEWISH NATION FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS BUT IT NEVER WORKED!!! LOLOLOL

keep it up, you'll go down in the history books as another 'society to bash the long living jews who did more the world then any other nation!' and ill BACK THAT UP TOO WITH FACTS!

you want to see more facts??? READ THE LINKS I HAVE ON MY SIGNATURE!!

YOU WANT MORE? OR DO YOU WANT TO CONTINEU BASHING MY PEOPLE BASED ON YOUR MISINFORMATION??? I WILL GIVE YOU HUNDREDS OF RESEARCHABLE AND BACKABLE QUOTES FROM ARABS ABOUT THE TRUTH

I see two kinds of people. Those that know the truth, even if their IQ is 20, or 500. And those that think they know, basing their information on a few sources, (like cnn LOL) and then spreading the misinformed hatred!

You make me sick!

but we know there are great people out there that don't listen to either side, but do their own objective searching, and Thank G-d for them they make sure we dont go down in a bloody war of lies and deciet!!!!!!

LOVE YOU ALL AS USUAL!!!
SHLOMO
and i've part of this board when you were in diapers on the trance world...

I knew swamper and crap from the efnet days of #bpm, #pow and others ... plus we all from TORONTO CANADA SO BOOYA!!!

cyrus king :

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Has Melech-mike been cloned?

LOLOLOLOL YOU DONT KNOW THE HALF OF IT BIG BOY

not that it matters, but cyrus you downloaded a sweet set from me on DC++ the other day... not that you'd remember i hope u enjoy!

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u make me sick, you NAZI!!!!

I understand that you may oppose his opinions, but comparing him to a Nazi is ridiculous. I get extremely offend by that comparison and am kindly asking everyone to drop it!

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u take over someone's land, kick them out, remove all their rights, destroy their houses to build your own, kill their children.... and u expect them not to react?????? what planet r u from????

Arbiter couldn't have put it anymore better!

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Last time I checked there weren't any Native Americans going around trying to blow up American civilians. I wonder why that might be. Maybe it's because when fate handed them a shitty fortune, they decided to try and make the best of it despite their misfortunes instead of just feeling sorry for themselves and projecting their frustrations onto others in the form of violence. Is that too much to ask from the Palestinians? I don't think so. I'll start caring about Palestinians problems when they start acting mature and/or responsible. To me its unconscionable why people keep making excuses for the Palestinians behavior. The fact of the matter is that it's no way to behave under any circumstances - period. It doesn't matter how oppressed they are. For fuck sake, there have been thousands of peoples in the history of the world who have suffered more brutal oppression than the Palestinians and yet who had the moral fiber not to resort to terrorism. Frankly, I believe anyone who sympathizes with the Palestinians is part of the problem because they're encouraging this sort of behavior which ought not to be encouraged. Furthermore, a preponderance of individuals, many of whom normally seem to be rational and intelligent people, have the audacity to compare Palestinian terrorism to Israeli military activity against the Palestinians as equal evils. This is so preposterous, so utterly ludicrous, that it makes me want to reclassify myself as a different species to dissociate myself from anyone or anything that could possibly have conceived this notion. Let me draw this out in crayon for anyone who may not follow: the sole and exclusive cause of Israeli military exercises against the Palestinians is the terrorism of the Palestinians. That is to say, Israel's military activity against Palestinians is one of the negative effects of Palestinian terrorism. It is the Palestinians themselves whose actions are producing this result. Do I think Israeli military actions which result in the death of Palestinian civilians are a good thing? No, of course not. But Israel is under constant attack. What do you expect them to do, respond with charity? If someone came up to you on the street, and started punching you in the face, would you give them your wallet, or would you fight back? If you give them your wallet, you become part of the problem by providing positive feedback to their undesirable activity. A reasonable person my not particuarly want to hurt the person who is assaulting him, but presented by such a situation, he really has no choice. So I ask you, sir, what planet are you from? Because it appears to me it is one where good and evil have undergone some form of juxtaposition. You compare Sharon to Hitler, but last time I checked, there weren't many Jews strapping bombs to their backs in early 20th century Germany. You cry about the horrible fate of the Palestinians, but yet you can't be bothered to give a second thought to the horrible precedent that is already being set by negotiating with terrorists. Don't you see how many people will die in the future because of your legitimization of terrorism as a means for obtaining political redress? Where is your sympathy for them and their loved ones? If the Palestinians want justice, I don't have a problem with it. But they have to choose a different way to express their frustrations than terrorism first. If you want to be treated in a civil manner, you ought to behave in such a manner yourself. Otherwise, you're nothing more than a hypocrite.

FUCKIN' AWSOME POST BUD!
Fuck Cyrus_king, I’m through with that bitch -- Arbiter, will you marry me?

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Has Melech-mike been cloned?

Seriously huh!! What’s up shlomo_hamalech, could you be my long lost brother from another mother?

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why don't the moderators ban people that have nothing to do with trance and who post in politics.... this has became ridiculous.

Why do the Mods have to ban shlomo_hamalech... you may have different opinions than he does, but that doesn't make his any less relevant than yours.
How do you know he has nothing to do with trance -- have you asked him? How do you know its not dj Yahel, and he's just using a cover to get his opinions out without people hating on him as a dj.

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Now that isnt quite true. Israeli warplanes attacked a US warship which I think was called the Liberty killing quite a few sailors.

Just did a quick search on yahoo and couldn't find any sources on these incidents. Can you please post a link to sources that covered this story? Appreciated!

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What fate would the Palestinians have if they didnt resort to violence. If the Jews have their way, Jordan would be Palestine. Sharon has said so. So if you come back on me and say that isnt true, i will provide the quotes.

You can’t say "if the Jews...” Prime Minister Sharon doesn't represent Judaism or every Jew for that matter! Provide all the quotes you want, what he wants is obviously not what he's going to get. I'll provide you with countless cases of other leaders wanting a lot more than they actually got!

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However you cant just come out and do it because this might offend america so you come up with the scam of collective punishment. How does destroying palestinian farms, smashing up palestinian markets, depriving palestinians of basic water rights act as a deterent to terrorism.

When a neighbourhood collectively acts violently and straight out deadly, than that neighbourhood will collectively get punished until they find out who the specific person(s) was who committed the crimes.
What else can they do... they cant kill them because than they get shitted on -- they cant imprison everyone because it just isn't a pliable action to take -- don’t you think if they try other means of stopping them, it might actually make them think that they should try other methods of having their 'cause' heard. Once again, Arbiter couldn't have said it better.

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perhaps their method should be examined more so than their cause.

100%

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I know it's easy for me some 4000 miles away from the violence to say so but the only issue it seems to me is a real lack of trust, which I totally understand. But one side must take the first step if this is to be over.

You study psychology and economics, you also have some knowledge of law believe, so who in your opinion should make the first step towards proving they could be worthy of trust? Do you know the history of negotiations between the two sides? Also please add what that first step should be! Appreciated!

Can’t wait to hit up blue in a few hours... fresh snowfall... Mmmm, the hills are gonna be sweet!!!!

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Originally posted by NFA u make me sick, you NAZI!!!! crawl back to the hole u came from to your hitler leader and don't come back. u take over someone's land, kick them out, remove all their rights, destroy their houses to build your own, kill their children.... and u expect them not to react?????? what planet r u from???? i'm not saying arafat is mr. nice, or that terrorists r right, but what goes round comes round, every action has a reaction, such are the laws of the universe.

A shit like you at Oxford? God Save the Queen!

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