so i see that almost one third of all the threads in here some way end up about America. Many of those America threads end up being "bashing America" threads. I personally stopped posting in here trying to defend what this country and it's political leaders are doing.

One of the most reasonable anti-America or anti-war threads have originated from members from the USA itself. That's probably cos these people have formed their opinions on plethora of available information (from the US). What i'm trying to say is that all you non-Americans usually have very little clue what you are arguing, and i believe are arguing, well just for the sake of arguing against America. I dont know what anti-USA bullshit your government feeds you, but along with what seems like ignorance and (immature) maturity level, you end up typing much nonesense and clear bias with no backed up proofs other than your own, or government instilled opinions. I still see people like ABT posting in here in favor of America, only to realize no matter how good of an argument he might stirr up, there will be always people arguing back with simple-minded, biased, anti-America arguments.

I guess what I'm trying to say, your arguments have no credibility what-so-ever with me, unless you have been negatively affected by US's actions, or back up your arguments with valid facts.

thanks for reading opinions?

>JM<

PS. why hasn't anybody started a thread called "Iraqi Politics" and argued about Saddam and his socialist more than anything governmental policy?

well i feel that people have a right to complain (to an extent), just b/c the US does act as the world police and defenders of freedom, which affects a lot of people.

But the majority of the US-bashing is coming from either Americans themselves, or political allies of the US which baffles me. I understand that not everyone will agree with their government's position (as far as allying with the US or not), but there is just some downright attacking in these threads...

People seem to view the US as civilian-killers, as if we engage in battle with reckless abandon and do not care for the innocents. Unfortunately, i think most people just see this as the chic thing to do, and like to jump on the bandwagon.

Truth is, the US spends so much time collecting intelligence and attempting NOT to hurt innocents, sometimes at the cost of our own soldier's lives...

other TA's also don't seem to realize that their own governments are not free of hurting innocent people, or engaging in questionable political practices. This happens everywhere, but b/c of the size of the US, we seem to receive the most criticism. So goes the tides, i guess...

The biggest surprise to me on TA is the amount of Aussies that have problems with the US (and americans themselves on here...). the US has done immeasurable amounts to help australia recently, and i guess have no idea how much of this anti-terrorism work we have been doing has protected them. (the bali event was unfortunate, but it doesn't help when the government of indonesia is sympathetic with terrorists and won't cooperate with the USA simply because a big election is coming up in indonesia and the current incumbent wants to keep all the muslim votes, so she does not help the US). Not our fault...

anyway...

-ABT-

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how do they act as the defenders of freedom?? or as world police... as with any country they pick and choose what they want to deal with... they ignore most conflicts and pick the ones that impact them economically or physically.. sometimes it seems like they are trying to help others out cause they get involved in so much, but really they get involved with so much because we are dependent upon so much! we are the most un-sustainable country in the world!


ps: your sig quote scares me.

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Originally posted by ABTsportsline The biggest surprise to me on TA is the amount of Aussies that have problems with the US (and americans themselves on here...). the US has done immeasurable amounts to help australia recently, and i guess have no idea how much of this anti-terrorism work we have been doing has protected them. (the bali event was unfortunate, but it doesn't help when the government of indonesia is sympathetic with terrorists and won't cooperate with the USA simply because a big election is coming up in indonesia and the current incumbent wants to keep all the muslim votes, so she does not help the US). Not our fault... anyway... -ABT-

please explain these so called immeasurbale amounts of help for Australia? The last time I remember America helping out Australia was WW2, since then we've always been kissing ur butt as a means of 'thankyou'.

I don't see American task forces co-operating with Indonesian police. I don't see American intelligence on the ground in Australia rooting out fundamentalist organisations.

you're a sucker for american propaganda

wake up and smell ur decaf coffee

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Originally posted by trancedfarmer ... we are the most un-sustainable country in the world! ...

how do you figure?

sure, we rely on many imports and exports for survival, but most items or practices in our daily lives we would have to sacrifice in a crisis are simple luxuries. and in some places of the world, countries have 0% of their needed natural resources in that country, so most of their goods come from imports, and reliance on a few industries...explain|

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Originally posted by Bedrock please explain these so called immeasurbale amounts of help for Australia? The last time I remember America helping out Australia was WW2, since then we've always been kissing ur butt as a means of 'thankyou'. I don't see American task forces co-operating with Indonesian police. I don't see American intelligence on the ground in Australia rooting out fundamentalist organisations. you're a sucker for american propaganda wake up and smell ur decaf coffee

hmm, maybe you should quit believing that Australia is some independent superpower that has no reliance on the US in the form of intelligence, capital, or otherwise. just because the US govt doesnt consult you doesnt mean its not happening|

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Originally posted by Bedrock you're a sucker for american propaganda

all right! just what we needed - more flaming from the Aussies

>JM<

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Originally posted by Bedrock please explain these so called immeasurbale amounts of help for Australia? The last time I remember America helping out Australia was WW2, since then we've always been kissing ur butt as a means of 'thankyou'. I don't see American task forces co-operating with Indonesian police. I don't see American intelligence on the ground in Australia rooting out fundamentalist organisations. you're a sucker for american propaganda wake up and smell ur decaf coffee

in many ways american propaganda is as bad as the propaganda in Nazi Germany... and im not kidding.

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Originally posted by trancedfarmer how do they act as the defenders of freedom?? or as world police... as with any country they pick and choose what they want to deal with... they ignore most conflicts and pick the ones that impact them economically or physically.

Is there any police force that does not do this? You have to pick your battles, it is the way of the world.

exactly... thats why there not the defender of the planet... they act as all countries do, mainly in self interest.

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Originally posted by Bedrock I don't see American task forces co-operating with Indonesian police. I don't see American intelligence on the ground in Australia rooting out fundamentalist organisations. you're a sucker for american propaganda wake up and smell ur decaf coffee

i take mine black, full bodied

this backs the argument of why the u.s. has to lead and be the defenders of the rest of the world.
why did we have to go to kosovo?
how long is the reception going to last once america gets there?
there will surely be aussie frndamentalists demonstrating in the streets against any american aid. your comments about america is probably shared by many other aussies, so why would we want to stir things up by going there?
the same thing can be said for indonesia. with the majority of the population muslim, and unlike the gun-toting cowboys that we've been stereotyped to be, we're not going to send in troops with guns blazing because that would be a huge mistake. the political and social ramifications are too costly. it may come back to haunt us later, but it's not our problem right now.

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you're a sucker for american propaganda
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