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erdega
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Does anybody want this f.....g war?

when even the soldiers fighting it don't want it and hate their government for it. Is there anyone other than bush lackeys his corporate, military sponsors and hard core zionists , is there anyone else who can support it after you read this

Family of POW Hoping for Quick End to War
The Associated Press
Mar 24 2003 3:53PM

DERBY, Kan. (AP) - The half brother of a Kansas soldier held captive in Iraq
said he wants the United States to finish the war ``as f
ast as possible'' so his brother can come home.

The family of 23-year-old Pfc. Patrick Miller said he was one of five
prisoners of war seen Sunday answering questions on Iraqi television. There
also was footage of at least four bodies.

The soldier's half brother, Thomas Hershberger, 27, said his mother spoke to
Miller's wife Sunday. She had received confirmation from the military that
Miller was being held by the Iraqis, he said.

``She is not doing the best right now,'' he said of his mother, who lives in
New Mexico. ``I haven't had a conversation with her without her crying.''

Also Sunday, the mother of another captured soldier offered a plea to
President Bush. ``Please do something for my son,'' Anecita Hudson said of
Army Spc. Joseph Hudson, 23, of Alamogordo, N.M.

Members of another family told NBC's ``Today'' show Monday that the only
woman among the captives seen on Iraqi video was their loved one, Army Spc.
Shoshawna Johnson. They said she was the daughter of a military man and grew
up near Fort Bliss in Texas.

``I can't imagine what she's going through,'' said a cousin, Tracy Thorn.
``I can't begin to imagine what she's feeling. She looks scared.''

Thorn said she heard the news from her mother Sunday, adding, ``You know,
hundreds of thousands of soldiers are out there. You never think that one of
your family members would be one of those to be taken captive.''

Jean Offutt, a spokeswoman for Fort Bliss in Texas, said 10 or more of those
who were missing Sunday were with the 507th Maintenance Company, which
deployed last month with the 11th Air Defense Artillery Brigade. The 507th
is not considered a combat unit, officials said.

The video footage aired on Iraqi TV showed Miller answering questions in a
shaky voice, his eyes darting back and forth between an interviewer and
another person who couldn't be seen on camera.

Asked why he came to Iraq, he replied, ``I come to fix broke stuff.''

Asked if he came to shoot Iraqis, he answered, ``No, I come to shoot only if
I am shot at. They don't bother me, I don't bother them.''

Miller, of the Wichita area, graduated from Valley Center High School. He
and his family had been living in Texas, but his wife, Jessa, and their two
children moved back to Park City to live with her mother when Miller was
deployed in December. Valley Center and Park City are near Wichita.

Hershberger said Miller has a 4-year-old son and 7-month-old daughter.
Miller was a welder before joining the military last summer to help pay
student loans, he said.

Hershberger said his mother was not happy when Miller was deployed overseas,
but Miller did not seem overly concerned.

``He is kind of cocky - he didn't act scared at all,'' Hershberger said.

Hershberger said he did not know how his brother felt about going to Iraq,
adding that he didn't know himself whether the United States should have
gone to war with Iraq.

``I feel action should be taken for terrorists, but I think the U.S.
government only has itself to blame for terrorists feeling the way they
do,'' he said. ``(The United States) puts themselves in other people's
business that they shouldn't have been in.''

Hudson's mother said her son identified himself on the video but didn't give
any more information. She said he appeared to be uninjured, unlike some of
the others in the video.

``It's like a bad dream, seeing your son get captured on TV,'' she said.
Mrs. Hudson, who is of Filipino ancestry, said she saw the footage on a
Filipino station she subscribes to.

A 1998 graduate of Alamogordo High School, Joseph Hudson did weight training
at the school and liked fishing, bowling and card games, his mother said.

``I'm just praying that the other people (in the military) will get him out
of there,'' said Mrs. Hudson, 53.

She said her son joined the Army to have a good future, not to fight. He is
a mechanic who specializes in fixing trucks, she said.

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occrider
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No .... but what we want and what has to happen don't often coincide. For reasons why please see innumerable past posts.

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trancaholic
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I have not been devoting full-time study to the issues surrounding the Iraq war, so some of my comments may be based on missing or flawed information. In that case I'm sure some of you nice people will correct me.

My stance on the war is that it should not stop now. Either the coalition forces realize that they cannot under no circumstances win or they go through with what has been started.
Before the most ardent anti-war protesters attack, let me add that I do not for one second believe that Saddam has the means of attacking the U.S. and I do not believe that George "my way" Bush are concerned about neither the Iraqi people nor Iraq's neighbours. I believe that the war was started mainly to divert attention from problematic domestic affairs and, perhaps to a lesser degree, in an effort to ensure a rich oil supply or simply avenge Daddy Bush. The three other countries currently part of the coallition, however, I believe had more noble motives for joining: honouring old alliances, ridding the world of an evil dictator, or simply acting from the viewpoint that the conflict is the final showdown between democracy and fundamentalism. Whether these reasons are actually *just* I leave to others to decide.
My point is, like it or not, now the war is reality and one must face that fact and readjust ones priorities. Simply saying stop the war is not nearly detailed enough for me: what does that actually imply? Do the coallition forces withdraw immediately from Iraq and head for home? I believe that behaviour would indeed encourage dictators, tyrants, and terrorists all over the world. After all, if the "policeman of the world" can't even put a obviously mad and evil dictator, who has been subdued by embargos for a decade, into his place, why should they hold back themselves?
Far better, in my view, to let the war take its course and find relief in what will hopefully be the consequence of it: Saddam removed from power. And then oust Bush in the comming elections - as a show of what democracy is all about.

On the article erdega posted, let me just say that, as far as I know, U.S. soldiers are professionals who volunteer for service. That job entails going to war and war is about killing each other. If you do not agree on that deal you simply do not take it.
Starting whining when things go wrong, is, in my view, yet another example of a growing movement in the western world, where nobody takes responsibility for their own existence and blames all things bad happening to them on society and people around them.
Finally, aborting a war because of U.S.-soldiers being shown on TV as *prisoners* seems so hypocritical when you think of the pictures and news from Baghdad were hundreds are being *killed*. I'm sorry but I simply cannot sympathize with that article.

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victor
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word...

now they just have to go through with it... hopefully not many civilians will be killed...

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Yoepus
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Re: Does anybody want this f.....g war?

quote:
Originally posted by erdega
is there anyone else who can support it after you read this


I can support this war after reading that, so that makes at least one. I mean for godsake, the best reading this article, which so cleverly let me know that people who know people who are POWs are sad, would definetely change my mind?

I have support this war before it began. I realized many would die pursuing it, and if you believe the US should stop this war right here and now because 10-20 of its soldiers have been captured, then I will tell you this; If the USA quits the war now, the world fallout will be much worse then anything we have ever seen to the USA. This will clearly demonstrate to the world the USA has losts its power - it can not even willing to overtake a crippled regime, further inflaming and encouraging terrorist the world over.

And for one, yes POWs are a sad case, but if you were to make a stronger argument why not use the feeling of the families who suffered the deaths of their american soliders, or Iraq civilians - both caulty figures outweighing those of POWs. Unlike some of you, they are not just numbers to me.

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Well said, trancaholic. I agree almost entirely.

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tranceaholic
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quote:
Originally posted by trancaholic
I have not been devoting full-time study to the issues surrounding the Iraq war, so some of my comments may be based on missing or flawed information. In that case I'm sure some of you nice people will correct me.

My stance on the war is that it should not stop now. Either the coalition forces realize that they cannot under no circumstances win or they go through with what has been started.
Before the most ardent anti-war protesters attack, let me add that I do not for one second believe that Saddam has the means of attacking the U.S. and I do not believe that George "my way" Bush are concerned about neither the Iraqi people nor Iraq's neighbours. I believe that the war was started mainly to divert attention from problematic domestic affairs and, perhaps to a lesser degree, in an effort to ensure a rich oil supply or simply avenge Daddy Bush. The three other countries currently part of the coallition, however, I believe had more noble motives for joining: honouring old alliances, ridding the world of an evil dictator, or simply acting from the viewpoint that the conflict is the final showdown between democracy

and fundamentalism. Whether these reasons are actually *just* Ileave to others to decide.
My point is, like it or not, now the war is reality and one must face that fact and readjust ones priorities. Simply saying stop the war is not nearly detailed enough for me: what does that actually imply? Do the coallition forces withdraw immediately from Iraq and head for home? I believe that behaviour would indeed encourage dictators, tyrants, and terrorists all over the world. After all, if the "policeman of the world" can't even put a obviously mad and evil dictator, who has been subdued by embargos for a decade, into his place, why should they hold back themselves?
Far better, in my view, to let the war take its course and find relief in what will hopefully be the consequence of it: Saddam removed from power. And then oust Bush in the comming elections - as a show of what democracy is all about.

On the article erdega posted, let me just say that, as far as I know, U.S. soldiers are professionals who volunteer for service. That job entails going to war and war is about killing each other. If you do not agree on that deal you simply do not take it.
Starting whining when things go wrong, is, in my view, yet another example of a growing movement in the western world, where nobody takes responsibility for their own existence and blames all things bad happening to them on society and people around them.
Finally, aborting a war because of U.S.-soldiers being shown on TV as *prisoners* seems so hypocritical when you think of the pictures and news from Baghdad were hundreds are being *killed*. I'm sorry but I simply cannot sympathize with that article.


i totally agree.. i am against the war but too late now so lets hope the job will get done with minimal casualties.

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