I want to know if using BPM control or mapping (whatever its called) used with a turntable can be regarded as cheating?

I'm talking about that little gadget that tells you the BPM on each channel.

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I've found my BPM counter to be around the correct value, but nothing can beat a pair of human ears to perfectly match beats.

Some people consider BPM counters to be detrimental to learning how to beatmatch because you aren’t analyzing the sounds to see what has to be adjusted. I got very frustrated while learning how to beatmatch; I look back on it and I would go through it again with ought a BPM counter.

Not cheating, just taking the fastest way.
You are there to DJ right, that means the whole spectrum from choosing
what vinyls to play to mixing.
If you are gonna have a BPM counter tell you how fast the vinyl is gonna spin then you might just get a laptop with winamp with your
tunes there because for me 70% of the whole experience is beatmatching.

Nothing can beat a groovy mix where they just flow together in total
harmoniy and you KNOW that YOU matched that perfectly. Not a little
counter with red lcd's. Personally I would be dissapointed if I
went to see someone like Armin, Digweed, Sasha or someone else that
is big and see that they used a BPM counter, I would leave the party.

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most bpm counters are off a bit. i guess if you had 2 seconds to mix you could use it.

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Technology has made us lazy. Just because two tracks are beatmatched doesnt mean you can mix them together or that they sound good with each other. Use your ears and your mix will be that much better

Simple. Beat matching is an art. It is only one part of mixing from one song to another. Granted, its a BIG part of the process, but without it, the mix is a mess.
Using your ears, finding that perfect pitch, getting songs matched so they play perfect over the span of a minute - there is something so beautiful, something untouchable by that. Beat counters take that joy away - and also, they are only so accurate. If you teach yourself to use your ears, to beatmatch yourself, the rest of your set will benefit as well.
Don't cheat on an artform. Don't trace over the work of a computer. Take the time, learn the process, respect the work. By learning to beatmatch, you also condition your mind and ears to work together, you learn to play the mix through in your head, you learn to work on the fly. Don't cheat yourself of the perfect mix.

~Azareal

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Originally posted by dj raymond wade Technology has made us lazy. Just because two tracks are beatmatched doesnt mean you can mix them together or that they sound good with each other. Use your ears and your mix will be that much better

i guess its like windows users, people who grew up in a technological world being brough up with windows ARE SO freaken LAZY,and so lost.
if they have a problem 5mins and if it wouldn't work they wouldn't even know what is up with it. or bother to fix it. because they dont know how the thing works. all they do is use their mouse click click hello im done.
why because you had it all to easy.

having it all to easy, wouldn't teach you anything.
life is hard but do it the hard way, that is the best way to learn well its good at least you know you are LEARNing!

dont cheat on yourself.
a beatcounter can be USED but only
you have learnt how to beatmatch in less then 30seconds your head.

beatcounters are good but if you have to reply on it. then i recommend you just throw it out the window slraight away and LEARN TO DO IT on your own.

i sound like im getting angry but im not lol
maybe just had a bad day :]

I used to think the same way about beat counters until I bought a mixer with one built in. From the first time I used it I've found it totally worthless in helping me mix. The only useful thing about it is if you're pitched up too far but too caught in the moment to notice, the counter could help you out. I know it can sound really bad playing certain styles of music at too high or low a bpm rate.

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It's not cheating, but it doesn't matter because it's impossible to beatmatch with just bmp-counters.

it helps you out
tho try not to reply on it too much
and its all good.

dj'ing is an ART!

its ok to use a beatcounter
if you already know how to beatmix.

replying on it isn't too good, remmeber that not everywhere club or everywhere you go would have one of those.
but if just mixing at home sure, use it. it can only do good, make things faster and quicker.

but do make sure you know how to beatmix without one, aswell.
it just comes in handy sometimes

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Originally posted by Blake613 nothing can beat a pair of human ears to perfectly match beats.

This is the real truth...

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Originally posted by Azareal: Simple. Beat matching is an art. It is only one part of mixing from one song to another. Granted, its a BIG part of the process, but without it, the mix is a mess. Using your ears, finding that perfect pitch, getting songs matched so they play perfect over the span of a minute - there is something so beautiful, something untouchable by that. Beat counters take that joy away - and also, they are only so accurate. If you teach yourself to use your ears, to beatmatch yourself, the rest of your set will benefit as well. Don't cheat on an artform. Don't trace over the work of a computer. Take the time, learn the process, respect the work. By learning to beatmatch, you also condition your mind and ears to work together, you learn to play the mix through in your head, you learn to work on the fly. Don't cheat yourself of the perfect mix. ~Azareal

summed it up very well, I concur.

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