Well,,, this is the first time I've been on-line for awhile now,,, and after reading through ALL of the local 'electronic/rave' based message boards and looking at the line-ups for upcoming parties,,, I must that I am very sad. I don't know if I can explain how I'm feeling right now,,, but I will try my best. First off,,, let me start by saying that I am deeply upset with the state of the scene in Vancouver at present,,, especially the trance scene. I know that Armin Van Buuren and Paul Van Dyk will be coming in April and Ferry Corsten soon after,,, and this is Huge,,, although I can't help but wish that these events would be held at the Comodore or the Rage and go until at least 4am. The PvD show has massive potential,,, and I hope it goes through. Other than that,,, I just don't understand the direction promoters are taking with thier choice of DJ's that they are booking,,, and by this I mean headliners AND locals. Now,,, I would like to say that there are some promoters that are really putting on quality shows such as PH-1,,, who IMO have braught the most consitant level of talent through out last year. And it's good to see that Phu and his friends are starting up some new nights as well. Yet still I still see DJ's who have been playing far longer than myself that don't get any opportunities to play out. I also see a lot of ass kissing and people begging thier way into getting booked for shows,,, and as a result it seems that everyone has become so bitter and that they only think about themselves. One of the major problems seems to be that everyone knows everyone. By this I mean unless you're friends with the promoter of the show... YOU ARE NOT GETTING BOOKED. PERIOD. Now I don't know why this still bothers me when I'm all the way in China... but it does. So unless you have your own club night or throw your own show show and can arrange some sort of cross booking.... you will NOT be getting booked either. What can we do about all of this? This is something that I have been asking myself for months,,, I wish I knew. And believe me,,, I've been trying my hardest to give people the chance to play at my night who I think deserve it most. All I have,,, is a club night in Richmond that most people in our city don't even know about. Still,,, the night is at capacity every week and my DJ's play kick ass tunes EVERY week,,, and I'm really proud of everyone who is a part of my team. But I really belive we need to start to some big things in for 2003. As much as I'd like to get things rocking,,, while trying to get my own DJ'ing career it's going to be very difficult,,, especially all the way from China. So,, I believe that we really need to work together as a team. I think there are enough people on this board which share the same passion for trance and good electronic muisc as myself that I believe we can make things better in Vancouver. Seriously,,, lets show people what real trance is,,, I know between us we have the vinyl and knowledge to do it. Let's put aside our diffrences and personal agendas and do this together.

How you ask? Hehehh. Well,,, My first idea would be a TA stage at Apex Project this year. And I'm not talking about a little popcorn fart stage,,, I mean a real stage with a kick ass headliner. I'd even like to try and get some members from other provinces in on it if possible. What do you guys think about this? I know it's a long ways away,,, it's just something that I think could work. Either way,,, let me know what you think.

I look forward to hearing any other ideas you guys might have,,, and if you took the time to read my whole post,,, thank you very much

-DT

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I agree a 100%. Very good points. The only way to make trance bigger is more club nights and club events. I have always wanted to bring in a DJ and have a club night. But I lack having 15000 dollars laying around. But I would love to be a part of a team who would bring in somebody. I would definately like to be apart of your apex plan.

for example...

montreal----
3 clubs (aria, sona, stereo), all with 1500 capacity, all catering to afterhours nightlife, with massive sound, lighting etc..and all open till 10 am....and massive 8,000 ppl parties, with trance!!! house!! and prog....
cost to see avb at aria(4 hr set) = $25

toronto-----
same as montreal really. massive trance following
cost to see avb at the guvernment/kool haus (5 hr set) = $20

vancouver----
biggest club 1000 capacity....
every club closes at 2:00 am.......heck in montreal, some big clubs don't open till 2 am. every club plays house music and hip-hop on weekends....djs can only play 4 hours sets max........an 8 hour sander k set is impossible
cost to see avb at twisted rave (2 hr set) = $50

the problem in vancouver is solely the fact that afterhours are illegal. The rage for instance, is a perfect venues for a big room afterhours club that could open from 10-8 every weekend.....yet the vancouver city council is fuked up major. The only way we can see good events is to pay $30 for a 2 hour set at the commodore, or $50 to go to a massive plaza rave and hangout with fukked up kidz all night.

however, vancouver has lots of small fun wicked nights....automatic, sonar, vivid, and other special events...the only thing missing is a solid place where 1000 people can get togther and dance all night legally, at an affordable price : )...

and there are some decent new crews throwing jams...exert/reds valentines bash with roy davis jr is gonna be slamming : )..and i belive it goes till 6-7 am : ) and it's 19+.

anywho...boooo-urns to city council..

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Originally posted by exergo anywho...boooo-urns to city council..

Yah man they have fukked up everything.

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Originally posted by exergo however, vancouver has lots of small fun wicked nights....automatic, sonar, vivid, and other special events...the only thing missing is a solid place where 1000 people can get togther and dance all night legally, at an affordable price : )... and there are some decent new crews throwing jams...exert/reds valentines bash with roy davis jr is gonna be slamming : )..and i belive it goes till 6-7 am : ) and it's 19+.

Exergo... I don't think you're really seeing what I'm trying to get at here. I am well aware that people like exert trhrow these events on a regular basis,,,, and quite frankly they bore me to fucking death. Passion/Balance are doing a Valentines Day show with Mark Lewis,,, that's actually one of the shows that I would consider going out for if I were still in Vancouver. Also,,, I'm well aware that there are many small shows that happen on a regular basis,,, but the sound I'm after doesn't fit when you only have a few people. The nights that you mention.... automatic, sonar, vivid DO NOT promote the type of music I'm talking about. Christopher Lawrence is the closeset thing to it that I have seen. Anyways... I don't think we really see eye to eye on certain issues anyhow so I will leave it at that.

peace.

Fuck Danny I actually read the whole thing. Fuck its long but ya the apex prject sounds cool and i think i might do a stage this summer too.

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Originally posted by g-money Fuck Danny I actually read the whole thing. Fuck its long but ya the apex prject sounds cool and i think i might do a stage this summer too.

Yeah let's do a stage together,,, and bring a headliner as well. I don't see the point of doing 2 seperate stages but it's up to you.

some crazy points there guys
im not too knowledgeable in the scene but from a lay person's point of view i can tell you what we are really lacking: promotion of the scene

if it wasnt for these forums, i wouldve never known of any trance night in van. i only hear of raves outside of this place. i dont think it really matters on where a trance/prog/whatever night is held, as long as ppl are aware of it. only very few who are really into the scene know of parties and nights that are happening in the city. those who have never been exposed to this stuff wouldnt start looking all of a sudden cause they dont know what its like, see what im getting at?
i havent been listening to velocity on xfm lately, but i think it could be a good way of letting ppl know about whats going on in the city, where a good dj is playing. that is if they dont have something similar already

its all about educating the public

great idea on the apex stage danny
i'd be more than happy to help in any way

Thanks Apri_peel and Jesten =)

I'll make a post for a TA Stage @ Apex this year after I find out the dtails and costs from Azim.

danny!!!!
hehe lemmie know if you need any help with any of your upcoming projects... (and please save a slot for me too... *LOL* ) ... ugh.. on a totally unrelated topic, go on msn sometime, i have soooo much bs to tell you......

Thats a pretty sweet idea. It might take fund raising or something of the sort though. I'll help with whatever I'm allowed to do. And this semester I have loads of free time.

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Fundraising nah man thats one thing i would never do. Just Watch what 385 evolution will be doing in the near future. If u Dj's out there who have been in the room mixing, drop me some mixes and i'll get u a gig in the future. I mean ask Danny he'll hook u guys up too trust me.

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