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Well what I meant is that you can't negotiate with them because what they strive to achieve is oftentime beyond negotiation and is beyond feasibility. Case in point: what has Norway done to draw attention against it besides possibly being a western nation? Or, what can Norway do to avoid the cultivation of terrorist threats against it?  |
I agree that the demands of terrorists are oftentimes beyond the realm of feasible, my point is that you don't get those demands, and you don't have these groups in existence if conditions aren't bad enough to piss off a substantial number of people to begin with.
Norway is a serious wildcard in this whole thing, I have no idea why it was mentioned, and until something actually happens to the Norwegians I'll assume it was just a psychological attack, as Norway has already firmly established itself as an impartial party on the international stage.
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The point is that terrorists are not the most rational or morale beings on this planet that you can negotiate with. To me, the argument that we should examine the root cause as the only viable solution is silly. What are we going to do? Transform the US into a 3rd world nation? Destroy Israel? I seriously doubt bin laden will cease his activities or suffer a drain on manpower if the US pulled out of the middle aast and Palestine was created. Many of their end objectives are ultimately infeasible and outlandishly unattainable.
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Again though, look beyond what they're demanding and look at why they exist.
Groups like Al-Qaeda exist because of the widely held perception that America and the west in general are using the rest of the world, and abusing their power. They exist because there's a widely held perception that Israel is being unfairly favoured in the middle east issue.
I'm not saying that if the US pulled out and Palestine was created that things would instantly get better, I'm simply saying that if the US hadn't seen fit to demonstrate a heavy Israeli bias and interfere in the region for years that it'd be much harder for even extremists to rally people against the States.
That's why, IMO, it takes an extremely long term plan to fix the kinds of issues that exist today. You need to *start* somewhere and then *stay on course*.
The US to date has shown zero willingness to even consider why these people came into existence, and to me that illustrates either hubris, in that there's this naive concept of stamping out terrorism with more violence, or just an outright blindness to the fact that these people are created by the conditions that they're born into.
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Physically going around trying to eliminate terrorism WON'T eliminate all terrorism but it will seriously hinder the effectiveness and the frequency of terrorism in much the same way that the police hinder the effectiveness and frequency of crime.
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To me two vastly different issues.
Crime in general isn't always of the homicidal or large scale destruction of property type, and garden variety criminals are usually acting spur of the moment, out of passion or desperation.
Terrorists are usually responding to a lifelong situation and feeling of injustice, and they're oftentimes willing to lay down their lives. And as many have said, it's extremely difficult to stop a criminal who's willing to sacrifice their life to commit the crime.
I just fail to see how the current 'war on terror' has elminated anything in the way of terror, and I fail to see how it's going to suddenly be effective today if it wasn't yesterday.
That is all
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This leads me to believe that al-Zawahri must have misunderstood what country he wanted to attack. Cos other than being supportive to the US in general(even tho they did not support their stance to the war) and to Israel (which was mainy in order to be able to negotiate peace between them and Palestine) Norway has done jack shit wrong.
