Hi i was a bit bored, and i asked my self a question why are some records louder then other at the same gian/volume level ?? does some one know the answer

It is because the records are recorded at different levels when they are recorded in the studio. It is up to the record label how high a gain there is on the record.

Woody

Yeah, the person who masters the record before it's pressed decides how it would work the best... It's up to the DJ to mess with the gain to get it right.

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okay :d tnx

how loud the artist renders the track at
how loud its mastered
how loud its pressed
your styli
sensitivity of your mixer

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Originally posted by Project T how loud its pressed

No-one's really mentioned the technicalities of vinyl cutting, but that's where much of the answer lies. These days most people will start with a digital master, and that's going to peak at around or just under 0dBfs. So, many source recordings peak at pretty much the same level.

Running the track through a limiter makes it louder - and how much you push the apparent volume up depends the preference of the person doing the processing. But that's an aside, I was supposed to be talking vinyl cutting here

I'm sure someone will correct me on parts of this but the further apart you can space the grooves on a vinyl the louder you can make the vinyl. It's probably to do with the depth of the grooves. I would imagine if your grooves are further apart you can make them deeper, and hence louder. What I do know is that shorter length vinyls can be made louder than longer vinyls.

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Originally posted by TranceInMySoul I'm sure someone will correct me on parts of this but the further apart you can space the grooves on a vinyl the louder you can make the vinyl. It's probably to do with the depth of the grooves. I would imagine if your grooves are further apart you can make them deeper, and hence louder. What I do know is that shorter length vinyls can be made louder than longer vinyls.

Would that have any correlation to the speed of the record? (33/45) I've always wondered if the speed of the records has anything to do with quality. It would seem like a 45 would be better quality because the needle is picking up more of the smaller sounds closer together (bad way to say it). I was thinking almost in terms of Frames per second on a compressed video. The higher the FPS, the better qualitiy, (generally, unless the source for the video is horrible.) A 45, in these terms would have higher FPS than a 33.

Wow, that all sounds messed up when I reread it.

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I imagine most records are finished off with the same peak level. There's no reason for them not to be. Better quality vinyl = louder.

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Originally posted by Arty I imagine most records are finished off with the same peak level. There's no reason for them not to be.

Hey, did you read what I wrote? The grooves are not spaced equally on different records because of the amount of music that is put on the vinyl. This affects how deep the grooves can be cut, and I thought it was the depth of groove that correlated to the loudness of vinyl. Anyone know for sure?

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Originally posted by Blithe Would that have any correlation to the speed of the record?

Dunno about that. Logically, at 33 you would have less grooves to fit on the vinyl, so you could space them more. But if it was that simple, no-one would use 45, right? So, perhaps because of the increased rotation speed the vinyl contains slightly more detail in the grooves. Guess that makes sense