Become a part of the TranceAddict community!Frequently Asked Questions - Please read this if you haven'tSearch the forums
TranceAddict Forums > Archives > Classic old threads / Inactive Forums > Retired Forums > Sports Discussion > America takes a big bite of British soccer and savours the taste
Pages (4): [1] 2 3 4 »   Last Thread   Next Thread
Share
Author
Thread    Post A Reply
Dj-HordasH
Apudne te vel me ?



Registered: Feb 2002
Location: Shminka ville
America takes a big bite of British soccer and savours the taste

quote:

SEATTLE (CP) - America took a big bite of British soccer Tuesday night and seemed to savour the taste.

The question is whether Manchester United's 4-0 win against Glasgow Celtic, before a raucous, sellout crowd of 66,722 at Seattle's Seahawks Stadium, will be enough to increase the appetite for professional soccer in North America. "You have two of the biggest teams in the world playing here tonight," said Colin Chisholm, a native of Ayr, Scotland, who now lives in Portland. "If this doesn't get people excited I don't know what will." It was a game and a spectacle rolled into one. It was like going to a performance of the ballet with a circus surrounding it.

Two hours before kickoff Manchester United fans, dressed in bright red jerseys and wearing flags, were partying outside of the stadium. Two young girls had Union Jacks painted on their faces and their hair dyed blue and red.

Not to be outdone, green clad Celtic supporters did a conga line while a bagpipe band played.

A huge roar came from the audience as the two teams marched onto the field. Players from both sides acknowledge the crowd by turning and clapping. Flash cameras sparkled like stars in the night sky in the stands.

It took only seven minutes for the crowd to submit a thunderous cheer when Manchester United's Ruud van Nistelrooy scored the first goal of the match. Also scoring was Ryan Giggs, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer and David Bellion.

The crowd was a record for Seahawk's Stadium.

The one player many people came to see was absent. Manchester United transferred David Beckham, one of the world's best known soccer names, to Spanish rival Real Madrid last month in a $41 million US deal.

"He was the main player it would have been great to see," said a Seattle native who gave his name as Jamyang and wore a sweater with Beckham's old No. 7.

Some of his friends sold their tickets, which ranged from $35 US to $135 US, when they learned Beckham wasn't coming but Jamyang wasn't deterred.

"You're still seeing classic soccer and have a chance to catch the English soccer fever," he said.

John Cannon came from Chicago with his six-year-old son Rory. The Dublin native has attended matches all over the world and loved what Seattle served up.

Unlike European games, the spectators were not separated. Manchester United fans sat beside Celtic supporters. Red and green jerseys formed a rainbow across the massive stadium, the home of the NFL Seahawks.

"It's a great atmosphere," said Cannon.

"Europe could learn a lot from this. It's the family atmosphere you get in American sports. It's something they are trying to catch onto in Europe and this is the way to do it."

His cousin Ritchie Cannon, one of around 10,000 Vancouver residents who made the three-hour trip to Seattle, still isn't convinced soccer can rival North American sports.

"How can you compete against American baseball and football because it's the culture," he said.

"In Ireland growing up sometimes people didn't work but they had the passion for football to get your release. In Canada you can always get work and be in Hawaii six months later."

Over 40 buses carried fans to the game from Vancouver, resulting in a three-hour wait at the border. Security at the stadium resulted in long lineups and some people missing kickoff.

Making the trip to the game were people like Jimmy Steel, a Saskatoon baker who has spent 25 years living on the Saskatchewan plains but his roots are still planted in Glasgow and heart pumps Celtic green.

"A lot of people in North America don't understand it, but we will go anywhere - anywhere - in the world to support our team," Steel, 42, shouted over the noise at Fado Irish Pub, where a television showed the black and white replay of Celtic's 1967 European Cup victory over Inter Milan.

An estimated 9,000 fans are expected to make the trip from Britain to watch one or more of Manchester United's four exhibition games in the United States.

When the Toronto Maple Leafs trek to Vancouver for an NHL game they don't bring hundreds of fans with their faces painted and waving banners. The Montreal Expos have trouble filling their own stadium let alone mounting an army of supporters on the road.

But true soccer fans will travel any distance, pay any price, to watch their team. If they can't get into the stadium, they'll cram pubs or congregate outside the stadium.


At last year's UEFA Cup final 80,000 Celtic fans invaded Seville, Spain. Only 30,000 were able to buy a ticket.

Steel, who joked he wanted to be a banker but became a baker when he spelled his profession wrong on an immigration form, said soccer is more than a sport, it's a lifestyle.

"It runs very, very, very deep," he said, between choruses of the Celtic team song.

"There is a lot of your upbringing and your culture involved in following your football team. Especially if it's a big football team like Celtic." Sir Alex Ferguson, the Manchester United manager who is to soccer what Scotty Bowman is to hockey and Vince Lombardi was to football, said the short distances between most British cities allows fans to travel to away matches.

Following your favourite North American soccer team isn't so easy.

"If you play in Boston, then you play in Los Angeles, the travel distance is seven or eight hours, so fans don't travel," Ferguson said.

"In Europe, access for supporters is far easier, so you get rivalry in the grounds. That creates the competitive element that is missing in American soccer."

Soccer also is still considered a foreign game in America.

"The problem is, of course, America didn't invent soccer," said Ferguson.

"They did these other games (like football and baseball). It makes it difficult to break that stranglehold."

Craig Forrest, the former Canadian international goaltender who played for West Ham, remembers 12,000 supporters travelling to Old Trafford for an April 2000 game against Manchester United.

Soccer teams are compelled to open a certain number of seats for away fans, said Forrest. This differs from North America where professional teams concentrate on filling their buildings with season-ticket holders.

"It would be something special if you could get 2,000 Ottawa fans coming into a Leafs game," he said.

Manchester United has an estimated 53 million fans worldwide.

Peter Kenyon, Manchester United's chief executive officer, didn't rule out Manchester United playing in Canada sometime in the future.

"These things are put together around where our fan base is and where our business opportunities are," he said.

"We know we have a good following in Canada. When we're looking at North America again I see it's feasible we will be looking at a game in Canada."

After Seattle, Manchester United plays games against Mexico's Club America in Los Angeles, Italian club Juventus in New Jersey, and Spanish team FC Barcelona in Philadelphia.


Old Post Jul-23-2003 06:43  Bosnia and Herzegovina
Click Here to See the Profile for Dj-HordasH Click here to Send Dj-HordasH a Private Message Visit Dj-HordasH's homepage! Add Dj-HordasH to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
evil_bastard
Newcastle United



Registered: Dec 2001
Location:

quote:
Unlike European games, the spectators were not separated. Manchester United fans sat beside Celtic supporters

...

Europe could learn a lot from this. It's the family atmosphere you get in American sports. It's something they are trying to catch onto in Europe and this is the way to do it.


Old Post Jul-23-2003 11:27  England
Click Here to See the Profile for evil_bastard Click here to Send evil_bastard a Private Message Add evil_bastard to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
Xavier
DISILLUSIONED IN TRANCE



Registered: Jan 2001
Location: Sydney, Australia

pfft family friendly atmosphere yeah right. Could ya imagine an indivudual(s) in a Liverpool Vs Manure match with a 'family friendly' atmosphere and yelling out 'You Scouse Bastard!' or any other individual(s) unleashing the Munich song. Total chaos


Theres nothing like seeing men in yellow jackets standing in between two different sets of supporters. Or those nice big gaps in Italy, etc. Just by looking at that you can feel the tension in the air.


___________________


"Burn down the disco, hang the blessed dj, because the music that they constantly play,
it says nothing to me about my life...
" The Smiths - 'Panic'

Old Post Jul-23-2003 11:40 
Click Here to See the Profile for Xavier Click here to Send Xavier a Private Message Add Xavier to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
chesco
out to lunch



Registered: Jan 2003
Location: Glasgow

FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!


It's not for families.


come to a british game like rangers vs celtic

or

newcastle sunderland then you can savour a real atmosphers.

Old Post Jul-23-2003 12:13  Scotland
Click Here to See the Profile for chesco Click here to Send chesco a Private Message Add chesco to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
PacMan
Supreme tranceaddict



Registered: Jan 2001
Location: Bergen, Norway

or liverpool vs everton
or liverpool vs man utd


id like too see the fans next too each other on the last one, would be hell on earth it was allowed


___________________


Tune of the moment

Old Post Jul-23-2003 12:50  Norway
Click Here to See the Profile for PacMan Click here to Send PacMan a Private Message Add PacMan to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
Xavier
DISILLUSIONED IN TRANCE



Registered: Jan 2001
Location: Sydney, Australia

quote:
Originally posted by chesco






come to a british game like rangers vs celtic



Fine example of real tension and real hatred. Its matches like this, that you'd be scared to be in the stadium, yet would be eager watch it at the same time. If you'd come to this match, you'd have 'no surrender to the IRA' or 'Field of Athenry' ringing in ya ears. I dont think anyone would dare to wear a celtic or rangers shirt in the Glasgow public.


___________________


"Burn down the disco, hang the blessed dj, because the music that they constantly play,
it says nothing to me about my life...
" The Smiths - 'Panic'

Old Post Jul-23-2003 13:01 
Click Here to See the Profile for Xavier Click here to Send Xavier a Private Message Add Xavier to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
Xavier
DISILLUSIONED IN TRANCE



Registered: Jan 2001
Location: Sydney, Australia

quote:
Originally posted by PacMan
or liverpool vs everton


If you watched Merseyside derbies in the 80s, especially at Goodison Park, heaps of Liverpool fans would stand beside the Everton fans, and it wasnt much of a problem. There was no segregation in the Merseyside FA cup finals of 1986 & 1989. Seemed sorta friendly back then. Although in the 90s and today its gone bitter for some unknown reason.


___________________


"Burn down the disco, hang the blessed dj, because the music that they constantly play,
it says nothing to me about my life...
" The Smiths - 'Panic'

Old Post Jul-23-2003 13:05 
Click Here to See the Profile for Xavier Click here to Send Xavier a Private Message Add Xavier to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
evil_bastard
Newcastle United



Registered: Dec 2001
Location:

A "family atmosphere" goes against the whole point of the game imo. I'm not advocating brutal violence but football is a tribal game, it always has been. Football began as a riot in medi-evil times and continued for centuries this way, this tribalism has spread all over the world, you can't just change it like that. I doubt Europe is going to adopt American stadium culture - if anything it'll be the other way round.

Last edited by evil_bastard on Jul-23-2003 at 19:08

Old Post Jul-23-2003 19:01  England
Click Here to See the Profile for evil_bastard Click here to Send evil_bastard a Private Message Add evil_bastard to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
TheMightyCad
Senior tranceaddict



Registered: Jun 2003
Location: nr. Glasgow, Scotland

quote:
Originally posted by Xavier
Fine example of real tension and real hatred. Its matches like this, that you'd be scared to be in the stadium, yet would be eager watch it at the same time. If you'd come to this match, you'd have 'no surrender to the IRA' or 'Field of Athenry' ringing in ya ears. I dont think anyone would dare to wear a celtic or rangers shirt in the Glasgow public.


Firstly...get your facts right M8

Fields of Athenry is not a religious song, It's a song about hunger and injustice...no religious or bigoted overtones...

Secondly..about people in Glasgow wearing football jerseys...

In the first week of Celtic's new strip being launched, they sold 50,000 shirts..now up to 100,000 sold. Rangers sell on average 60,000 per shirt also....Do people buy these and stick them in a cupboard..don't be silly.

The religous stuff in the grounds in nearly all gone...yes we have a few idiots, but then so do every team...some on the park (DIOUF)

Walk the streets of Glasgow/West of Scotland and you will see kids with both strips playing football etc. side by side.

It's easy for for you down there to criticise when you don't know the truth..

and bye the way...i'm a regular on the Liverpoolfc.tv forum and sometimes the bile that comes out there is a disgrace..


___________________
I'm running the 2005 London Marathon, help me raise cash for a good cause, Whizz-Kidz helps get disabled kids mobile:
Donations Welcome Here

Old Post Jul-24-2003 08:41  Scotland
Click Here to See the Profile for TheMightyCad Click here to Send TheMightyCad a Private Message Visit TheMightyCad's homepage! Add TheMightyCad to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
chesco
out to lunch



Registered: Jan 2003
Location: Glasgow

quote:
Originally posted by TheMightyCad
Firstly...get your facts right M8

Fields of Athenry is not a religious song, It's a song about hunger and injustice...no religious or bigoted overtones...

Secondly..about people in Glasgow wearing football jerseys...

In the first week of Celtic's new strip being launched, they sold 50,000 shirts..now up to 100,000 sold. Rangers sell on average 60,000 per shirt also....Do people buy these and stick them in a cupboard..don't be silly.

The religous stuff in the grounds in nearly all gone...yes we have a few idiots, but then so do every team...some on the park (DIOUF)

Walk the streets of Glasgow/West of Scotland and you will see kids with both strips playing football etc. side by side.

It's easy for for you down there to criticise when you don't know the truth..

and bye the way...i'm a regular on the Liverpoolfc.tv forum and sometimes the bile that comes out there is a disgrace..


I have to agree with this.

Sure there is rivalry of an extreme variety, but the only people who continue to keep this religious thing going is arsehole reporters like those of the daily record, who for the weeks leading up to an old firm write about nothing but the past incidents involving celtic and rangers.

they always fail to report however that the majority of old firms in the past few years have past without a hitch.

And by tye way when you hear about stabbings on old firm days it very rarely has anything to do with the football.

It's just the way glasgow schemes are.

Old Post Jul-24-2003 12:18  Scotland
Click Here to See the Profile for chesco Click here to Send chesco a Private Message Add chesco to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
PacMan
Supreme tranceaddict



Registered: Jan 2001
Location: Bergen, Norway

and bye the way...i'm a regular on the Liverpoolfc.tv forum and sometimes the bile that comes out there is a disgrace

id like you check any other clubs forums, and im sure youll find the same type of people there.


___________________


Tune of the moment

Old Post Jul-24-2003 16:40  Norway
Click Here to See the Profile for PacMan Click here to Send PacMan a Private Message Add PacMan to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
Acid Circus
Dark Tranceaddict



Registered: Apr 2002
Location: Glasgow, Scotland

quote:
Originally posted by chesco
I have to agree with this.

Sure there is rivalry of an extreme variety, but the only people who continue to keep this religious thing going is arsehole reporters like those of the daily record, who for the weeks leading up to an old firm write about nothing but the past incidents involving celtic and rangers.

they always fail to report however that the majority of old firms in the past few years have past without a hitch.

And by tye way when you hear about stabbings on old firm days it very rarely has anything to do with the football.

It's just the way glasgow schemes are.


So true, I think bigoted fans are beginning to be phased out, it will never ever be entirely knocked out of either team but things are improving. A lot of my close friends are Celtic fans and when its old firm time, the banter flows but its all in good fun. I enjoy making a killing of the Celtic fans when it comes to betting, I enjoyed taking money from all those Celtic fans who believed Fernandez would score more goals in the league than Arteta (knew he wouldn't get a game ). The younger fans are more tolerant of one another, and as younger generations of fans keep on coming through this can only improve!

Old Post Jul-25-2003 08:39  Scotland
Click Here to See the Profile for Acid Circus Click here to Send Acid Circus a Private Message Visit Acid Circus's homepage! Add Acid Circus to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message

TranceAddict Forums > Archives > Classic old threads / Inactive Forums > Retired Forums > Sports Discussion > America takes a big bite of British soccer and savours the taste
Post New Thread    Post A Reply

Pages (4): [1] 2 3 4 »  
Last Thread   Next Thread
Click here to listen to the sample!Pause playbackNeed prog trance tune IDed [2004] [0]

Click here to listen to the sample!Pause playbackChimera - "In Deep" (Souldrivers Deep Mix) [2002]

Show Printable Version | Subscribe to this Thread
Forum Jump:

All times are GMT. The time now is 12:52.

Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is ON
vB code is ON
[IMG] code is ON
 
Search this Thread:

 
Contact Us - return to tranceaddict

Powered by: Trance Music & vBulletin Forums
Copyright ©2000-2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Privacy Statement / DMCA
Support TA!