I found this post on another forum....any thoughts?



Paul Van Dyks compositions are very melodic and whimsical; no matter how dreamy they sound, though, each composition is simplistic and not made up of many different elements. From a production perspective, it is not hard to diffuse each individual element of a PVD track.

Paul is successful because a massive worldwide group of listeners appeal to this basic, elementary material. It is easy to digest, and because of its basic elements, many intermediate listeners warm up to it and buy it, or the DVD, or an overpriced ticket to go see him, etc.

For any pvd enthusiast, it may appear that his music touches you in a profound way, and you sincerely believe that there is nothing else in existence that will equal this wonderful sensation from him, for he is the greatest producer to grace electronic music. This disposition is understandable, because all of us know how easy it is to bask in the bliss of something simple (like a day at the beach with no worries). Sometimes it can be even easier to get stuck appreciating the simplicity of something (hypnotic).



Just do not become so blinded by this intermediate material that it takes you over and turns you into the village nincompoop who runs around town and sings the hallelujas and priases about PvD and epic trance.


Be mindful that there are many other forms out there, each containing much more dynamic composure. Material that is rich and texturized, containing more complexity in every four bars. Selections that can take weeks to compose instead of hours, or even minutes. Persons well versed in music (who are known to have a good palate or taste in music) tend to gravitate toward these musically verbose forms of audio. Those who have immersed themselves deeply in musical arrangement and composition (particularly electronic) are appreciative of the richness this advanced listening material has to offer.

Putting paul van dyk's tracks to a comparison of this advanced music is about the same as comparing the abilities of any top 40 american-bubble-gumm-teen pop artist to those of a notable jazz composer)

If you would like to know more about how to progress and eventually be able to fully appreciate these styles, you must make the conscious decision to:

Step away from the hypnoto-trance-tractor beam eminating from PvD's pretty glowing hovering spaceship slowly and keep walking....

no matter what, keep walking...





there is much more down the road, AWAY from the ship in the sky.

just keep on walking and growing...



it'll be okay..












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Originally posted by tennessee_raver Just do not become so blinded by this intermediate material that it takes you over and turns you into the village nincompoop who runs around town and sings the hallelujas and priases about PvD and epic trance.

DONT TALK ABOUT ARTURO LIKE THAT

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that is stupid, people will like what they like. bottom line, everyone has there own opinion about what is good music.

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Basic, elementary material, huh?

Try listening to:

PvD - Forbidden Fruit
PvD - Beautiful Place
PvD - Words

How about electronic music with jazzy overtones, reminiscent of Philip Glass?

Nincompoop singing hallelujah

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Last edited by armandzadza on Aug-06-2003 at 03:11

Uh-oh. This is just inviting a flame war.

Anyhow, the author is basing his argument off of two points:

a) All people who enjoy PvD do so because of blind worship for his productions, and

b) Productions all sit on some absolute scale of worth, the measure of which is "complexity."

Both points are wrong:

a) Many people who like Paul appreciate his DJing as much as, if not more than, his production ability. His skill at the turntables is complementary and different in nature to his composition. Also, simply because some people like his productions doesn't mean each and every one of them likes every single PvD production without reason.

b) This point is worse. Complexity does not mean better music. There's something to be said about innovation in music, but Paul has forged a completely unique sound of his own, regardless of how "lacking complexity" it is. If that's not innovation, I don't know what is. Furthermore, the worth we find in music isn't just in analyzing "how complex" it is, especially in the case of trance. There's a whole lot to be said about minimalism in the case of electronic dance music.

I think some people do get a bit too enraptured in Paul's work. But that certainly doesn't justify what this guy is trying to say.

i agree that many of PVDs songs are very simple. But what keeps me wanting more PVD is the EXECUTION of the song. That's why i LOVE autumn so much. It's a simple song, but the execution and structure of the song, omg, BEAUTIFUL

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I kinda see where he's coming from w/ the layers....

.....personally on some occasions i've been sooo wrecked that it wasnt that hard for me to distinguish each individual track in a song. That I do agree w/. But, at the same time i'm thinking that I actually enjoy the music and think of how hard something like that really is. It may sound simple but I'd say very difficult to reproduce. I mean, being a DJ/wannabe producer myself its very hard to get samples/synths together that really blend and sound "togther" like PvD.....

...all that writing and I'm not a PVD lover

why are people trying to analyze PVD fans? people really are bored.

that applies to pretty much any producer/dj/whatever. Just because someone loves to listen to PvD, doesn't mean they haven't listened to other styles, it's totally close-minded to think that certain artist is the devil just for playing/producing stuff that crowds like it. In the end, every single artist/producer/singer/composer/whatever is a form of music, and music is intended to give us this inner peace in one way or another, that hiponitzes us all and makes us have all sort of feelings; it can make us dance, it can help us meditate, it can cheer us up, it might put us down on tears, it can makes our lives a bit better, everything. It's a pretty broad critic that may apply to anyone, you may even say that of Beethoven if you dislike him quite enough. Anyway, people listen what they want to listen, you can't do anything about it, the complexity is not a factor ... it might be a simple synth poping all around your head all day, or a huge symphony concert with all sort of instruments and notes and phases and blah blah blah ... it's just a matter of tastes, you can't help it. Just enjoy the music ... and then it'll be ok.

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Originally posted by Sirocco DONT TALK ABOUT ARTURO LIKE THAT

hahaha...

I dont see why people have to justify why the like a certain dj/producer and style of music, especially when it comes to paul van dyk. People listen to what they want to listen and no one has the write to critise their choice!

i like paul van dyk's productions because its good music! nuff said