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DjJade
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Registered: Oct 2002
Location: Nashville, TN
the "what i learned today" thread

well i know theres alot of info for basic techniques and broad ideas but how about the more specific ones? i learn something or notice something new every day so perhaps we can start a thread about the more obscure things having to do with djing in general.. i guess ill start


today i was mixing and i realized that i really need to learn how to adjust pitch using the pitch slider instead of physicially touching any part of the record or platter that is spinnig. here is what i noticed: when i touch the platter the turntable fights it with force...thats the nature of magnetics... it induces an opposite force when you put a force on it. so while that makes a strong motor like techs better for starting etc...if you touch the platter it will fight back so the force isnt steady. that means when i slow it down very very slightly, the turntable will put it back to where it was. so eventaully i keep slowing it down, adjusting, slowing, adjusting until i think its matched up but actually, i overshot the right pitch point so then its even slower and my beats start drifting.

also... i realized that there is threashold point where the static friction of the slipmat stops holding the record to the platter. that means that when its going and im slowing it down, and i pass the threashold then the record will start slipping alot faster since kinetic friction is smaller than static friciton... so with the same force that im trying to apply to the record to slow it down at a costant rate, if i pass the threashold of static friction then the slipmat doesnt hold the platter anymore and then the record slows down a whole lot. so my beats are way off now and i have to bring it back to speed. that happeend to me a few times today too.

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Haunted
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so you dont touch the platter at all? i usually touch it to get the beats in sync,then i use the pitch slider moving it up (or down) then if beat gets screwed up again, i fix it using platter,then move it up again (or down) depending how badly i had to fix it


is there a more efficient way ?


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DjJade
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Registered: Oct 2002
Location: Nashville, TN

well its just that when i touch the platter trying to make extremely fine adjustments the turntable seems to be fighting me so... i need to learn to make adjustments by riding the pitch instead

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JohnSmith
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Registered: Apr 2002
Location: Kamloops
great idea!

yeah, riding the pitch is far superior in terms of sound quality, you won't hear it as much. i use a combination of both, i'm trying to stay away from touching the platter at all, especially when the deck is playing live. It's ok to do it in the headphones.

Thing is, i am afraid to move the pitch to adjust when it's really, then move it back, because it never seems to be just the right spot again, and i have to keep riding the sucker, taking my hands and concentration off of the faders and EQs.


anyway, here's my tip, i didn't learn it today, but it's a good one for saving your needles (on technics tables anyway).

if you are having a friend over to mix who hasn't done it much (or even if you are just clumsy, like i am), then sometimes they will drop the needle on the pitch dots by accident, which is really bad for the needle. most needles are designed not to break when you do this but still, it can't be good for it.

what you can do is use the little lever that raises the needle to catch it. what you do is put the lever up just a bit above the record, then put it outside the 12" of the record, above where it would drop on the pitch dots. now, get eye level with your decks, and slowly move it down (don't have the platter spinning) to where the tip of the needle is below the record level (somewhere within the slipmatt) and then stop, and move it up a bit to get the tension right (anyone who's tuned a guitar will know what i mean)

Now, if you (or your wannabe DJ friend) drops the needle, you have a saftey net to make sure you don't wreck them!

If i do this, and put on a few shitty records i don't care about, then i really don't mind letting people play with my decks.


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DjJade
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Registered: Oct 2002
Location: Nashville, TN

yeah i did that to one of my tables but since i use the lever to lift the needle [i started doing this since i started becuase it was smoother than my fingers at the time] whenever i dont think abotu it and lift the lever out of habit... the needle goes really high lol...so wheni put it back down it takes like forever hehe : P

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JohnSmith
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Registered: Apr 2002
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whoa, you use the lever to raise and lower the needle all the time?


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DjJade
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Registered: Oct 2002
Location: Nashville, TN

lol yeah bad habit...keep in mind i started mixing from not knowing anything and i didnt know about tranceaddict or antyhing related to online forums until like...3 months after i started mixing. also i didnt have any friends who djed so yeah lol...lots of bad habits that im trying to rid myself of

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JohnSmith
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nah, i wouldn't say using the lever is that bad of a habit. it's probably better for your records and needles. it's just not as fast is all.


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specialK
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Registered: Dec 2002
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wait, wait . . . I haven't been mixing for a really long time, but I use the lever constantly-you have a much better chance of not dropping/scratching the needle across the vinyl . . . I don't think it takes much longer . . are you telling me that I'm like the only one who uses it this much?? Is there any reason I shoudn't?


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quote:
also... i realized that there is threashold point where the static friction of the slipmat stops holding the record to the platter. that means that when its going and im slowing it down, and i pass the threashold then the record will start slipping alot faster since kinetic friction is smaller than static friciton... so with the same force that im trying to apply to the record to slow it down at a costant rate, if i pass the threashold of static friction then the slipmat doesnt hold the platter anymore and then the record slows down a whole lot. so my beats are way off now and i have to bring it back to speed. that happeend to me a few times today too.


Im speachless

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DJ M.G
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Registered: Feb 2003
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In a perfect world you wouldnt have to touch the platter
during a mix, If you do it during a melody you will
get that sluring sound.

So i try to use a combination of slowing it down by the
pitch and sometimes touching the platter.

lets say you slow down a record briefly with your finger
somtimes if your decks have a crappy torque, the platter
would slow down to the speed you wanted it to, but then
speed up very quickly, which throws your beats out of synch

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benoitfan
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Registered: Nov 2002
Location: Lisbon, Portugal

I never touch the platter except for putting the beats in sync when I throw the incoming track. I pitch-ride for beatmatching and I correct live using only the pitch as well. I think it's the better way 'cos you don't have that weird sound, you hear the beat really catching up so that you don't have the problem of adjusting too much or something. With time and practice I think you'll even find it easier than using the platter (I did!).
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