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The US, Turkey incident about a month back

Dont know if you may recall this, i was in europe at the time so dunno how much press coverage it got.
What basically happened was that the US soldiers arrested about 14 turkish soldiers and took them to Kabul. There was a major crisis in Turkey and the public was in outrage cause it happend right out of the blue and without explanation. The Turkish government naturally demanded an explanation and that their soldiers be released. It took about 3 days and they finally where released, and the americans claimed that they stopped them from "attempting" to assasinate soem kurdish leader in the north. Needless to say relations went to shit.

There was hardly anything about it on the US channels and even BBC, but i may have missed them cause i was holidaying and all that.... so was it televised much, it was on 24/7 in Turkey.


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Actually I remember reading about this ... I also remember reading about Turkish special ops forces infiltrating some of the northern kurdish territories in Iraq in order to bolster the ethnic minority (I forget the minority). I'll see if I can find the article again.


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Ah yes, here we go. Turkomen, that's the ethnic minority I was trying to think of:

Turkey, the U.S. and the Kurds in northern Iraq
John K. Cooley IHT

Complicated alliance

ATHENS Vice President Dick Cheney and other senior Bush administration officials have plenty to discuss with Turkey's Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul in Washington this week. The main subject - a U.S. request to Turkey to send at least 10,000 Turkish peacekeeping troops to Iraq - could crucially affect U.S. relations with its old ally.
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The United States and Britain sorely need an international peacekeeping force, with or without UN auspices, to stabilize Iraq. With the dispatch of a few hundred Poles and a token force offered by Spain, Italy and some eastern European states, and after refusals from France, Germany and India to send soldiers, the idea of Turkish participation has become more interesting.
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Foreign Minister Gul has indicated that Ankara would consider the idea, and Turkey's prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, confirms it has been raised. But Turkey has its own agenda in Iraq, which may clash with America's Kurdish allies.
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Like Washington, Ankara wants to warm up U.S.-$ Turkish relations, which were strongly chilled last March. The extreme unpopularity of the brewing U.S.-led war in Iraq then led Turkey to reject U.S. requests to allow over 60,000 U.S. troops to use Turkey as a war base.
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Ankara and Washington would also like to put behind them at least two publicly-reported incidents since last March. Some Turkish Special Forces soldiers in Iraq's northern Kurdish region were detained and expelled by U.S. officers who suspected them of planning hostile acts against the Kurds.
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Turkish troops were originally deployed in Iraq's north to monitor a cease-fire between the two main Kurdish groups and to keep an eye on about 5,000 separatist Kurdish fighters of the outlawed Marxist Kurdistan Workers' Party, now called KADEK. These have consolidated and strengthened their old bases in northern Iraq as a result of the security provided by U.S. and British air power against Saddam Hussein's forces during the previous decade, and the relative stability and prosperity brought by the allied occupation since March.
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Rebel Kurdish attacks have recently recurred inside Turkey. This, and Turkey's disapproval of the Kurds' seizure of the oil-rich Kirkuk and Mosul regions - where the ethnic Turkish or Turcoman minority lives alongside Kurds and Arabs - have added to mutual distrust between Turkey and the United States. Turkey's government and its politically powerful armed forces have an almost paranoid fear that the 23 million or so ethnic Kurds in Turkey will be encouraged by the ascendancy of U.S.-protected Kurds in northern Iraq to join in creating the nucleus of an independent Kurdish state.
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Turkey's perennial Kurdish problem is a huge embarrassment at a time when Turkey is seeking entry into the European Union. Some steps have been taken in authorizing Kurdish language instruction and in other matters, but much remains to be done. These concerns were apparently discussed when General John Abizaid, the new American commander in Iraq, and other officials, met in Ankara July 17-19. Their meetings with senior Turkish military chiefs seem to have helped prepare for Gul's current talks in Washington. These talks should include discussion on how to overcome Kurdish opposition to the entry of any large Turkish contingent into Iraq.
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Both the U.S. Ambassador in Ankara, Robert Pearson, and U.S. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, one of the strongest believers in a U.S.-$ Turkish partnership in the administration, have repeatedly said that Washington supports Ankara's wish to rid northern Iraq of rebel Kurds. KADEK is listed in both capitals as a terrorist organization.
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The Turkish and Kurdish factors are further complicating the already complex and burdensome tasks the Bush administration has taken on in Iraq. Tough, forward-looking and imaginative diplomacy is urgently needed to deal with them now, before they erupt into more violence, or split the United States further apart from Turkey, its ally of the cold war years. The writer is an author and former foreign correspondent who has covered North Africa, the Middle East, Greece and Turkey since the 1950s.

http://www.iht.com/articles/103889.html


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yes i heard about it on tv... radio canada


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It was hushed down a lot i feel. They were captured, put rags on their heads and taken to kabul and questioned/interogated? for a few days. This is a bigger deal than it seems, but the media didnt play it that way. We have to realise that these two countries are NATO allies and this is the first time such an incident has happened.


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