... I think Tiesto is a commercial phenomenon,
that reminds me of a Coca Cola beverage ...
he's a DJ that's "clean" , "popular" "mainstream"
a "good money maker", good "crowd drawer", etc.

However, Vincent de Moor, as a producer, is superior,
for the music alone ...

why would you compare the two?

Tiesto has done so much more than VDM on so many more levels. So I would have to disagree.

peace.

Steve

By comparing the tracks from the 2 DJ's,
the VDM's productions have a large number of
layers and depth that are non-existent on
Tiesto's mixes.

There's a lot more out there, than the most
famous names, on the scene today.

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Originally posted by kevmetric By comparing the tracks from the 2 DJ's, the VDM's productions have a large number of layers and depth that are non-existent on Tiesto's mixes. There's a lot more out there, than the most famous names, on the scene today.

More =! better in any/all cases, while I will agree VDM is a good producer, Tiesto is just as much so, and the two can't really be directly compared. I suspect you are more interested in detracting from tiesto than you are in promoting VDM's quality (evidenced by the fact you list no "quality" tracks of VDM and instead say all the stuff "he does" in his productions, that tiesto does not)...

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Originally posted by kevmetric By comparing the tracks from the 2 DJ's, the VDM's productions have a large number of layers and depth that are non-existent on Tiesto's mixes. There's a lot more out there, than the most famous names, on the scene today.

That's not true at all. Tiesto's quality of production and musical development in terms of melodic and harmonic progression is way more complex, even if it is more minimalist. These two artists are not even comparable. It's like saying that Salieri was a better composer than Mozart. Just blasphemy

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Originally posted by YaleTrance That's not true at all. Tiesto's quality of production and musical development in terms of melodic and harmonic progression is way more complex, even if it is more minimalist. These two artists are not even comparable. It's like saying that Salieri was a better composer than Mozart. Just blasphemy

I'm curious as to what you mean by harmonic and melodic progression, give this "unenlightened" bastard some examples

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Ok, lets start making Tiesto vs someone threads now.

Basically, Tiësto is a "clean-cut" DJ ...
picks out some tunes, is a good showman,
and has reasonably good taste in selecting
his tracks.

However, on the other hand, Vincent de Moor,
is more of a musician ... many more layers,
depth to the tunes, 3-Dimensional in his
approach, and really presents a style that
takes the listener to a new musical atmophere.

Going backto Tiesto, there's a minimalist approach,
which is superior to other DJ's over-doing it,
with noise, effects, and so on ... however, it
shows less effort than VDM's work.

omg! u cannot be serious......... i mean nuthin agaisnt vincent de moor hes a good producer but u have got to be insane to say hes better than tiesto. tiestos productions sur-pass anyones ok traffic not everyone likes but its a massive new step for tiesto but u listen to

magik journey
urban train
lethal industry
obsession
dallas 4pm
in my memory
flight 643
traffic
nyana

aswell as all his amazing work remix wise!

tiesto imo is the best producer out there today and has been for some time not one of his tracks sounds alike which no matter how hard u try u cannot say about any other trance producer/dj!

However, on the other hand, Vincent de Moor,
is more of a musician ... many more layers,
depth to the tunes, 3-Dimensional in his
approach, and really presents a style that
takes the listener to a new musical atmophere


lol total bullshit! im sorry are u listening to a different dj tiesto than me or wot. because u must be tiestos productions have more layers, effort and if anything take u on a journey thru that track alone!!! i really cant see how u can say that have u actually heard any of tiestos stuff!

everything ive heard from vincent de moor has been really average imo, nuthin stands out ok nexus asia was ok but not my style but aswell as likeing it i thought it was as boring as hell. nuthin happeed in it u got to the break...........break eneded and it carried on like the first half of the tune till it ended.

Basically, Tiësto is a "clean-cut" DJ ...
picks out some tunes, is a good showman,
and has reasonably good taste in selecting
his tracks.

ur not saying anything about his productions ur talking about his dj skills is anyone else confused as to wot this guy is talking about lol

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Originally posted by SuperFarStucker I'm curious as to what you mean by harmonic and melodic progression, give this "unenlightened" bastard some examples

I mean that MOST Tiesto tracks are structurally produced/composed in a style and approach to musicmaking that is worthy of classical music, which is the reason I discovered trance. Even while working within a formula, the tracks' musical depth, complexity, and originality (which has nothing to do with inventing a "new" melody) stands out.

You would have to know a thing or two about music theory in order to understand what I'm saying about the complexity in terms of melodic/harmonic progressions, but I think this high level of artistry unmatched in the trance scene is pretty straightforward when you listen to tracks he co-produced with other excellent and classically trained musicians (unlike himself) such as the Allure and Straydog productions up to his new stuff such as Nyana and Traffic. Why? He always emphasizes on the nuances of the buildup in a tasteful way, letting the moving bassline move in a counterpoint direction to the melody adding an effect of melodramatic tension that keeps layering the musical line up until the breakdown. Tiesto and the Dutch posse perfected this sound while using melodies that centered on the synth sound of the late 90s, leading to a separate movement of trance that parted but fusioned German trance, British trance and even Psy/Goa. This is what came to be known later as epic uplifting trance (which has been bastardized today by so many artists).

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Originally posted by YaleTrance I mean that MOST Tiesto tracks are structurally produced/composed in a style and approach to musicmaking that is worthy of classical music, which is the reason I discovered trance. Even while working within a formula, the tracks' musical depth, complexity, and originality (which has nothing to do with inventing a "new" melody) stands out. You would have to know a thing or two about music theory in order to understand what I'm saying about the complexity in terms of melodic/harmonic progressions, but I think this high level of artistry unmatched in the trance scene is pretty straightforward when you listen to tracks he co-produced with other excellent and classically trained musicians (unlike himself) such as the Allure and Straydog productions up to his new stuff such as Nyana and Traffic. Why? He always emphasizes on the nuances of the buildup in a tasteful way, letting the moving bassline move in a counterpoint direction to the melody adding an effect of melodramatic tension that keeps layering the musical line up until the breakdown. Tiesto and the Dutch posse perfected this sound while using melodies that centered on the synth sound of the late 90s, leading to a separate movement of trance that parted but fusioned German trance, British trance and even Psy/Goa. This is what came to be known later as epic uplifting trance (which has been bastardized today by so many artists).

yeah wot he said,lol