Was I ownEd? an attempt at an online "causality"-debate
Rabbitweed (11:48 PM) :
just some chemical reactions in the brain anyway......
blah..sorry
Tiƒƒan¥©¿ (11:48 PM) :
what are you sorry about?
Rabbitweed (11:49 PM) :
resorting to this argument
Tiƒƒan¥©¿ (11:49 PM) :
it's not an argument
Rabbitweed (11:50 PM) :
hm....sure. when some1 doesnt wanna think about human behavior he can still say its all chemicla reactions anyway
Rabbitweed (11:50 PM) :
unless you believe in a soul. something metaphysical
Tiƒƒan¥©¿ (11:50 PM) :
it is..
Rabbitweed (11:51 PM) :
so there you go
Tiƒƒan¥©¿ (11:51 PM) :
you know me better than that
Rabbitweed (11:51 PM) :
its depressing though
Tiƒƒan¥©¿ (11:52 PM) :
that it's all chemical? I used to thik so (that it's depressing), but I don't anymore. cuz it doesn't matter.. you feel what you feel.
thinking is all chemical reations as well, so?
Rabbitweed (11:54 PM) :
it's depressing because it goes to show that it's allpre-determined. it has clear structures, it is predictable, it is not FREE, it is no choice, its mechanical
Tiƒƒan¥©¿ (11:54 PM) :
of course it's not(:
Rabbitweed (11:54 PM) :
how so?
Rabbitweed (11:55 PM) :
chemical reactions which repeat themselves...it's math, more or less. logical and predictable.
Tiƒƒan¥©¿ (11:56 PM) :
just because it occurs in the brain it's choiceless, mechanical?
why do you think it happens, because the body feels like making you feel in love? it depends on what's happening, what you're going thru.. true, there are some things that are supposed to attract you physically (like smell) that you can't control, but it's only one part
Rabbitweed (11:59 PM) :
this doesnt make it any less predetermined.
it's a computer prgram with simple rules that cannot be broken
IF A occurs THEN B.... etc.
Rabbitweed (11:59 PM) :
you're tied to this causality
Tiƒƒan¥©¿ (0:00 AM) :
"it depends on what's happening, what you're going thru"
does anything ever happen the same way?
then how can you say it repeats itself? that it's predictable?
Tiƒƒan¥©¿ (0:01 AM) :
Rabbitweed (12:58 AM) :
you're tied to this causality
Rabbitweed (0:03 AM) :
the rules are there! I KNOW that if A occurs B will happen as a result.
Tiƒƒan¥©¿ (0:03 AM) :
what's A? A keeps changing! so you can never ever know
Rabbitweed (0:04 AM) :
no. that's no true. there a some basic emotions based on basic situations.
sadness, happiness, anxiety, anger, frustration etc. etc.
Tiƒƒan¥©¿ (0:04 AM) :
we're talking about LOVE
Rabbitweed (0:05 AM) :
love being one of them
you were born with a personality compatible with a female that consists of x,y,z. the moment u find it love programm is run.
Tiƒƒan¥©¿ (0:06 AM) :
you think you're born a certain way, and that's it?
you're not affected by what's happening to you?
you know that's wrong
Rabbitweed (0:11 AM) :
of ourse one's personality isnt only consisting of what was given when u were born. it's always a synthesis of your inside and your outside influences. however, you are born in a certain environment which wil also predetermine the outside influences later on. so in a way it is....
but again, to get back to the subject: a chemical reaction is a chemical reaction. it's a formula that wont change. the outcome is predictable.
Tiƒƒan¥©¿ (0:15 AM) :
the reaction itself does not change, but what causes it does change.
and you may be born into a certain enviroment, but you don't know the experiences you will go thru, you can never ever know what will happen to you. so how is that in any way predictable?
and besides, you're completely ignoring the fact that love, or any other emotion, is not caused by a simple reaction. we're talking about very complex reactions, with many steps.. trust me, I take bio..
you're making no sense. you can't predict it, it's not systematic at all.
Rabbitweed (0:20 AM) :
i do make sense. I believe that it too complex to be easily observed on an everyday life basis. yeah, in fact there are cases in which its so huge that it doesnt matter anyway. at the end of the day it's a clear system, though. with zero's and one's, a program you cant escape
Tiƒƒan¥©¿ (0:21 AM) :
you say it's a program, but every time you say why I contradict it
Rabbitweed (0:22 AM) :
you couldnt contradict a single argument thus far 
Rabbitweed (0:22 AM) :
for every situation there's a predetermined answer.
that the basis.
Tiƒƒan¥©¿ (0:23 AM) :
I have contradicted every single argument (though truth be said, they were pretty repetitive)
Tiƒƒan¥©¿ (0:24 AM) :
but there are endless situations
Rabbitweed (0:24 AM) :
no there arent
Rabbitweed (0:25 AM) :
and no u havent
Tiƒƒan¥©¿ (0:26 AM) :
there aren't endless situations?!
now you're making no sense
Rabbitweed (0:27 AM) :
so I did make sense before? thanks for admitting defeat.
lol
anyway
no, there arent endless situations. there's a limited number of human actions, thus a limited number of human interaction creating such "situations".
Tiƒƒan¥©¿ (0:28 AM) :
you never ever experience the EXACT same thing twice, never do the EXACT same thing twice.
every change makes a difference, can't you see?
Rabbitweed (0:31 AM) :
why are you thinking on such a concrete and specific level?
cant u see it the abstract way instead of the sum of little details? there are CONCEPTS which consist of the so many details, but it's all leading to the same result. concept of love for example.
Tiƒƒan¥©¿ (0:35 AM) :
but concepts don't create love
things, the little things, do.
it's a million things together, that cause a certain feeling.
what happened to you thru your entire life, what happened to you a moment ago.. what your parents made you think of love, or relationship, what you did with the girl when you were with her, what you talked about, what mood you were in, what were previous relationships like etc. a million things. so now can you see that it can never be predicted?
Rabbitweed (0:44 AM) :
again you list influences form inside(your personality and quired behavior) and those from outside (own experiences and interaciton wiht others). the result at the end is the top of this pyramid. where each brickstone consists of the sum of the aformentioned influences. yet it's all within frames. concepts. you will love women or men. you wil love type A or type B or type C of women(again an effect of a certain, or evne more causes). and so on. you yourself just proved that it will never be RANDOM. you said it's complex, and i might agree, but this doesnt change the very fact that it is predictable. a+b=z is just as constant as is a+b+n+z+k+l+o-r+w= t
Tiƒƒan¥©¿ (0:47 AM) :
everythings consists of a+b+c+d+goes-on-forever
but it's not predictable!
tell me then, what determines if you like men or women? what determines if you will be attracted tp type a, b, c? what is type a,b,c? there are endless types. tell me, then.
Tiƒƒan¥©¿ (0:50 AM) :
plus, you don't fall in love with someone only for the "type" they are. you feel what you feel as a result of experiences you have together. what you say, what she says. and what you're going thru without any connection to the relationship
Rabbitweed (0:53 AM) :
ever heared of quantum physics? that basically revolutionized the common concept of physics where there was a predictable outcome to each situation. it's based on the concept of randomness. u neve rknow where the elctron is, the moment u look at it, you will not know. everything is vague, no sums just guesses. we do not work this way however.
so yeah, as u said, a million things will determine sexual orientation. but at the end of the day it will only be the sum of it. all within frames of human nature (the way every human is born).
look, it's all theoretical anyway. it's more abstract then u think I make it out to be. I just find the very thought of it being a regular totally logical program (even though we dont actually "feel" it in everyday life) depressing.
Tiƒƒan¥©¿ (0:58 AM) :
of course it's not random
i'm trying to make you see that it's unpredictable. you said yourself that there are a million things to detremine everything we do and feel and everything that we are. so how can you ever predict it?
it's more complex than I think you can grasp. billions of billions of billions factors affecting it, and more factors going in every second of your life.
and what's logical? what's logic? we invented the concept, and it's very subjective.
so I don't see what you have to be depressed about.
Rabbitweed (1:02 AM) :
dont take me so literally. im not sitting here and mourn about it
I didnt say that *I* can predict the outcome of everything. I merely stated that basically to each addition you'll get a sum. THAT process is predictable.
logical is the word that confirms our theory of cause and effect.
Tiƒƒan¥©¿ (1:07 AM) :
and every person finds a different effect "logical" to be the result of the same cause.
what we feel is not predictable in the sense that it cannot be predicted by anyone alive right now, or that ever lived. maybe if we ever learn to use 100% of our brain, instead of - what is it? 4? 5? - that we use now. unless that happens, you can't process all the factors, and considering the fact that it keeps changing from a million directions..-- well, you can't. not you ,not anyone. you wanna say that in theory or theories that will never ever happen for real it's predictable? okay. that makes you depressed? okay.
Rabbitweed (1:13 AM) :
the question whether us humans can fully udnerstand the program and thus precisely predict each outcome is totally irrelevant. it's the fact that this program exists. chemical reactions. based on additions. inside and outside influences.
and now im really tired. a big factor that lead to this result might have been this exhausting, yet interesting conversation.
Tiƒƒan¥©¿ (1:16 AM) :
my reaction is the same.. you find it depressing that theoretically it can be predicted, fine. the complexity of it rids me of depression, because at the end of the day it makes no difference.. it's never gonna happen, it's never gonna be predicted and that's all that matters, to me anyway.
i really should go, too
school 2morrow
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