well its the price to pay to occupy a country.

its an easy subject, how about you talk about those infamous quote weapons of mass destruction unquote

days and days of fun and research

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Originally posted by ahlamalek well its the price to pay to occupy a country. its an easy subject, how about you talk about those infamous quote weapons of mass destruction unquote days and days of fun and research

What I am planning to do though is to show reasons why people think this is an unfinished war (WMDs, guerrilla tactics killing soldiers, etc.) The thing is I want your opinions on those individual issues as well.

there reason i think bush called the iraq war over was that the main objective of regime change had taken place. as soon as all military resistance ceased to be coming from government sources that indicates the government has lost all control.

the said however i would distinguish what is happening now as the continual war on terror, one which has not been declared as over yet. The factions left that are resisting american forces, both iraqis and foreign nationals, are doing so for a different purpose. not so much the defense of the old regime but for the removal of american forces from arab land, thus giving it a different scope and different agenda for american troops

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If God is the answer, it must have been a very stupid question.

But wasn't the main objective of the war to seek out Iraq's WMDS as well? We haven't accomplished that yet, if they even had any in the first place.

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Originally posted by Galapidate But wasn't the main objective of the war to seek out Iraq's WMDS as well? We haven't accomplished that yet, if they even had any in the first place.

right... to find WMD or WMD programs. obviously right now there is nothing stopping us from finding them (well maybe that they dont exsist). regardless the fact that american troops have free reign in the iraqi territory, and access to all the government files about programs is an indication that the war allowing us to do so is over.

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If God is the answer, it must have been a very stupid question.

There is a difference between having all the resources and having all the right resources....just because we can search all we want throughout Iraq doesn't mean we have found the WMDs yet. Bush should have thought twice about declaring major combat over and, if he was so focused on finding those weapons, he should have waited until they found something.

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Originally posted by Izzy the said however i would distinguish what is happening now as the continual war on terror, one which has not been declared as over yet. The factions left that are resisting american forces, both iraqis and foreign nationals, are doing so for a different purpose. not so much the defense of the old regime but for the removal of american forces from arab land, thus giving it a different scope and different agenda for american troops

i don't really understand what you mean here, are you saying that the war on terror is whats going on in iraq right now? because people are resisting american occupation??

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Originally posted by ahlamalek i don't really understand what you mean here, are you saying that the war on terror is whats going on in iraq right now? because people are resisting american occupation??

it's one way to look at it. if the forces leading this resistance were able to succeed and implement a government by their model, i wouldnt doubt that terror would be a result or at least an extrimist government. obviously america would like to see itself as a benign occupier, it is not actively and purposely going out to make iraqi life miserable but help them recover from the war and see to it that they can become full functional and independent. so in my eyes i see the resistance movement not revolting for the betterment of the iraqi people but for implementation of their model of government

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If God is the answer, it must have been a very stupid question.

- I'll throw in my little piece of Oreo cookire here.

The main reason for Mr. Bush and allies to go to war, was the " War On Terror", but the main reason and OBJECTIVE of the war was to, in someway, get rid of the WMD's that Iraq was " supposedly" harboring in the country, accompained by lots of evidence presented to both UN and the State of the UNion adress ( all the evidenced are starting to look more like BS!!!!!). Yes, Bush declared it over a long time ago.. and now, more soldiers are dying.. there was even an interview and poll where soldiers are strongly discontent, scared and stressed, but will remain there in orde to server their duty ( but not agreen with many of the things happening ).. Now theres some huge chunk of money, which no one knows if its the first payment, second, or who knows ..non of the things US was looking for in Iraq has yet to be found, more soldiers are dying.. the Iraquis hate us.. more outsiders hate us, more terrorism.. was it worth it? justified??.. blaah..

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Originally posted by Izzy so in my eyes i see the resistance movement not revolting for the betterment of the iraqi people but for implementation of their model of government

yes and whats wrong with that, the majority of Iraqis are for a religious-led state right now, who can blame them? After years of economic sanctions led by the UK and USA, years of suffering by a dictatorship, these people became less than poor, starving to death, they don't trust anyone now, they turn back to god. And guess who's gaining "political capital" right now? The only ones that are helping them with money and food, the clergy...

I am not saying that religious govt are the way to go, i'm actually frankly opposed to them. But deciding for Iraqis is wrong. Let them be.

Later, when they'll think not with their tummy but with their brains, people will want another form of govt (look at Iran).

I want to add that, an imposed govt (eventually led by chalabi) will only fail in the coming years. It will be attecked coup after coup till it falls. This will bring the people back to what they want right now.

You can't rush a society from one form of govt to another.

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Bush didn't call the war over, he called the part of "main combat operations" of the war over... or something of that phrasing. Meaning the big battle - and gurrellia warfare compared to "ops. shock and awe" is small.

Its just as always, the media will take your quote out of context and meaing.