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Attenion America!
Well since this is going to be my last post before I get banned. I did accomplish what I set to do. I must appologize first to the Canadians for actually have to watch me act like this but you I am going to make you look like fools here becasue your civilized discusions and debates have turned into name calling as well. You when irratated America ( and your response is the wrong way of thinking) . What happened to no name calling and acting in a civilized manner. The fact is you can't help it. You have to open your mouth and get into everyone's business,more so than any other country. HIPPOCRITS!! If you were truly the way you claim you would have ignored this . I dragged you into a little fight cause you can't help it!
| quote: | | You are generalizing and insulting others once again. I suggest you behave in a civilized manner … |
| quote: | | The STATE DEPARTMENT jackass ... the STATE DEPARTMENT! |
| quote: | | Actually, let me back up. You're just a f$cktard, plain and simple. Your actions are nothing short of a little twirp yanking on people's strings in hopes to get a reaction |
So much for your tit for tat policy of diplomicy !
Which is to prove you are all full of shit and I was sick of reading your bullshit arguemens. Thinking you are all high and mighty when actually know fuck all about the world for real. Everyone knows how america is. Your own people know and it's not a small problem.
| quote: | | Nope, this is the first you called me arrogant ... This I do not deny. I utilize a lot of sarcasm, wit (well I like to think so), doubt, and confrontational criticism in my arguments to establish my case, |
This is what people don't like about you.,
A quote from an american:
| quote: | | Well, I'm American but yeah, I think the country needs to pull back and let the rest of the world have its culture back. And some degree of peace. And that must be a long statement! |
The whole world says it.....come down here to south east asia for instance....ask people on the street..How many people like America? I bet you 8 or 9 out of 10 have a problem with you. The fact is it's there and you need to do more to change people's mind. And what about all these polls I keep reading...its scary to think most people in "occrider's polls" think that the USA s the biggest threat to world peace , not terrorist. That's kinda fucked.
So anyways here we go:
| quote: | | Vague claims that America is "bad" backed up by little or no facts other than obscure references to one's personal experiences isn't a very good starting point for a political discussion. |
Here we go then;
Here is one of the biggest things to piss me off that most americans probably dont know about either. Anyone remeber the Canadian Soldiers in a training exercise . This sickens me and how did America reacted . If this had happen to America this would have been war. Yes it was the piolot that had gone against orders but what happened to this piolot..nothing really because he was an american soldier.
http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2002/04/19/reaction020419
You as nation are #1 in the following areas among the industrial nations
1. millionaires
2.. billionaires
3. military spending
4. firearm deaths
5. Carbon Dioxide emissions
6. total per capita waste
7.. hazardous waste produced
8. oil consumption
9. natural gas consumption
10. lowest voter turnout
11. redcorded rapes
12. injuries and deaths from road accidents
13. births to mothers under the age of twenty
14. number of international human rights treaties not signed
15. execution of child offenders
16. likelyhood of children under 15 to die from gunfire
17. becoming the first society where the poorest popultaion are children
| quote: | | Well finally, you have a source! Thank you very much! Okay, I'm going to assume you got this from the website, http://www.adaction.org. Again, it would do you credit to have a link like this so others could read the info. for themselves. Now, you have here a list of facts, now could you tie all these facts together to support your assertion? Are there any statistics or research that tie in these facts to support your original assertion? In other words, what is the likelihood of these facts to support your assertion? I'd say that you have a hard time presenting such data, primarily because there is none. |
And as far as your sources go. Most of them are just built on ignorannce.
Ok and here is an example of your refrences:
| quote: | | Perhaps you should reference this source from now on: |
Ok I am suppose to be comparing developed nations with 3 world countries?? Get real occrider!
Hmmmmm let's see here try these sources. The UN Human Development Report 2000( oh yeah that's right you don't listen to the UN because you just invade other countries anyways), US Vital statitics: tables : 1356,1361,1390,1398, Amnesty Inernational Facts and figures on death Penalities. etc etc
Let's go on about the mockery of the US helping out Taiwan:
| quote: | | who wants war with China?) |
Ok who wants a war period??? Maybe you occrider???? Pushing peace is not telling the Taiwan people they need to beef up their security.
| quote: | | How has the US not pushed peace over ROC |
Here is how. And you think America is going to defent Taiwan> they admidt that they wont .
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20031017/pl_nm/taiwan_usa_dc_1
So this is how the government deals with things in your country. It's not just bush either. And it's be going on for ages and when someone outwits the whitehouse they deal with it like this:
1971 – After Trudeau left a session with Nixon in the Oval Office, the president said to H.R. Haldeman, his chief of staff: "That Trudeau, he's a clever son of a bitch." Then he said to Secretary of State Henry Kissinger: "What in the Christ is he talking about?"
Trudeau so infuriated Nixon during the visit that Nixon called him "a pompous egghead" and told Haldeman: "You've got to put it to these people for kicking the U.S. around after what we did for that lousy son of a bitch. Give it to somebody around here." This was when Nixon ordered Haldeman to plant a negative story about Trudeau with columnist Jack Anderson
Let's talk about big business:
| quote: | | The leader of that oil company was giving millions to the opposition party of president Putin. It's widely speculated that his incarceration is a politically motivated act by the Putin government |
| quote: | | Of course there's a problem there! That's why there have been a SIGNIFICANT amount of legislative initiatives attempting to increase transparency SINCE the scandals. |
Please provide some detail on how much of this legeislation actually gets through and then how many loopholes each piece has.
Yeah so???? it's still more of risky move for him politcally to throw him in jail.
Hmm i'd say there is alot wrong..not just a little
Here is just an example of how companies in Canada try and deal with pollution too. We're not perfect but we are trying:
URL=http://www.cric.ca/en_html/opinion/opv4n45.html#facts[/URL]
And some just plain stupid commecnts made by my oppenents:
| quote: | | Americans don't think other countries love them, they think other countries are all jealous of them |
| quote: | | You are harshing on the US education system, yet you are an English teacher in Canada? I'm sure then that you must be aware of the literary style known as "irony?" |
Actually no I am not an English teacher in Canada. I am teaching English in Taiwan.
| quote: | | For example I am in Taiwan teaching |
| quote: | | i'm just a close-minded idiot american who doesn't care about anyone but myself. |
It may be sarcasm but its not far from the truth.
| quote: | | Tread VERY carefully here. Generalizations, racist remarks, and open flaming of entire groups of people will not be tolerated. The mods don't frequent here very often but they WILL suspend you for remarks such as this if you keep it up. Even if I were to make a stupid ass generalization such as: The brits are the rudest, most assholish people out there, and actually provide a source - |
If you were better than me you wouldn't done that!
| quote: | | And as many as there are countries that look down on America, there are still as many, if not twice as many, ready to take our backs |
Ok?? What about the Iraq war ??? How many countries had your back there??? how many didn't And n the countries that did support you how much of the people wanted the war. Not very man according to the opinion polls.
| quote: | | Good question. What does Canada do? Since you seem to be in all defense of your country, what has Canada done to help any suffering countries? |
Let us start with this...sorry canada hasn't taken part in the bombing of Iraq.
www.acdi-cida.gc.ca/cida_ind.nsf/0/636a2afa0f8e6b1e85256cf400585a09?OpenDocument
| quote: | | I also know that not many foreigners want to necessarily go to Canada. |
Ok so you have asked all people that come to Canada if they want to be here? Actually in fact most them think it's a great country. Do I need to bring up all the opinion pollls? But they are meaningless because you can't go by that but if you wanna go by things like that;here is some more.
Vancouver the best city to live in the world.
The best cities in the world
RANK CITY SCORE
1 Vancouver, Canada
Zurich, Switzerland 106.5
3 Vienna, Austria 106.0
4 Copenhagen, Denmark
Geneva, Switzerland
Sydney, Australia 105.5
7 Auckland, New Zealand
Helsinki, Finland 105.0
9 Bern, Switzerland
Frankfurt, Germany
Munich, Germany 104.5
12 Amsterdam, Netherlands
Melbourne, Australia
Oslo, Norway
Stockholm, Sweden 104.0
For the second consecutive year, Vancouver has placed first in terms of quality of life according to an international survey of 215 cities. The analysis, conducted by William M. Mercer, a global consulting firm, was based on an evaluation of 39 quality of living criteria. These included political, economic, social, and environmental factors, together with personal safety, health, education, entertainment, transport, and other public services.
Source: www.wmmercer.com/global/english/res...pic_022501a.htm
Any American cities in the top 10??
Or another example of your arrogance:
| quote: | | where would the world be if America hadn't stepped in? In greater ruins than you're predicting it to end up to be. |
Where would we be| quote: | | Actually, just about any war. A lot of countries would prefer to be on America's side than not. Many countries offer their assistance when America is forced to war. Oh, and by the way, since you think so strongly that America only wants violence, need we remind you how time and time again America tried to make peace offers with many countries? Including the Palastinian? Including with Sadaam? Violence is the last resort. Not the first, as you may think. |
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So you are saying that america alone stopped World War I and II ???? Yes they did but so did most of the world. And yes America has done dome great things but this isn't even a debate . Now is the time to admit all the things that you have done wrong becasue it is all piling up. You still think Violence is a solution and diplomacy does work!! Violence doesn't. America doesn't try to hard.
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| quote: | | The entirety of the United States states and territories (and also Canada) contain a vast array of vacation offerings from beaches to mountains, and some of the most beautiful natural places on the planet i.e. Yellowstone, Yosimite, Hawaii Volcanoes Nat. Park etc etc. Many Americans recognize this, and tend to just vacation within the US for this reason. It also makes for a much more cost-effective vacation than say flying to Europe or East Asia. |
It comes down to just being lazy and not wanting to find out more about other countries.....and money ...if you can afford to come to Canada you can afford a trip to south east asia...it's much cheaper.
Ok so when you wanted facts and sorces to my accusations I replied like this:
| quote: | | Go ahead make generalizations about Canada.....the fact is you have alot more problems defending your governement policies than I do. |
Where are your alligations?? This isn;t about us...it's about what you are doing wrong
Ok so what am I Saying ?? My sources and youtr sources don't mean shit. You have to start acting more responsible on the world stage.
It doesnt matter some of the good things you have done. You have done alot of bad and it's time to clean up you act. To oversimplify this let's look at it this way. Let me see here...let's say we have someone that has just rapped someone. This person is well educated and has a good job and the comunity benifits from him being there. Does this excuse him from being rapist? ( oh yes it is simplified but I have seen so many examples of over siplifying here) .
The facts are no acts as bad as you like a nation as powerful and developed as you. If you like the poor getting fucked over then maybe it's the nation for you. If you like big business not acting responsible then maybe it's for you. If you like violent solutions to everything maybe it''s for you.
I am glad you are all ammussed here becasue the rest of the world is not:
| quote: | | I'm actually amused |
Ok by the way I do like alot of things about America too. Except for the one time we got stopped at the border and turned back becasue my friend addmitted to smoking weed and said to the border gaurds:
Your president smoked weed (Clinton) Why can't we..???
Not too smart but hey ..it's true.
I've taken many snowboarding trips, biking trips.. Damn good bands come out of america too. Hot Water Music, Dead Kennady's , Social D, Pixies, Beastie Boys,Fugazi, Minor Threat ,Stevie Ray V.too many to list...I'm not just a trance lover.. And alot of these bands too see big problems. Some very creative and artistic minds but as far as politcal minds??? Well that is something to be desired.
| quote: | | I'm actually amused |
| quote: | | Oh you are good. You are really damned good. I was giving up on this thread, but you managed to troll me into posting. |
later yuppie F#CK ...is that an isult or compliment calling you a yuppie? Yup that says it all right there.....you got dragged into it and you couldn;t help but saying no...( you were right I wanted to end it like this)
Attention America This is not a test of the American Emergency Brodcast System. You have failed as a country and you must all go the nearest bridge and all jump off. Actually maybe just a few of you because after the first one jumps off most surely the rest of you will follow becasue you don't know any better. Or one of you might catch on and form a religous group and lobby to the government to close all bridges or have them destroyed. Wait a minute the governemnt says let go after the people that built the bridges and sent them to our over crowded jails full of people who belong in drug rehab programs. But while in Jail teaches them how to build more bridges!
See I can do the sarcasm thing too..sorry if I am not as witty.
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Last edited by 2hardcore4u on Nov-01-2003 at 13:18
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Such a whiner.
I think this is the point where I actually laughed out loud. Look everyone! It is okay for him to admit that his country isn't perfect but its trying the best it can, but yet! If Americans do the same (say there are things they don't agree with), Suddenly, it's a completely different story! 
He made a truthful statement that has backing! Just when we all thought it was impossible...
