Just wondering if anyone has taken any music production courses or anything in that field anywhere in Vancouver. BCIT has a course that introduces you to Pro Tools, I might check that out. Any help in naming any schools in the Lower Mainland with courses like that would be a great help. Thanks in advance.

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Thank you for asking Carlos. I too would like to know this. I don't want to enter a full program to be an audio engineer. I would just like to learn to use programs like protools and whatever other tools are the 'industry standard' in producing quality electronic music.

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There's not a lot in Vancouver. Most of the programs around here are centred on you as a sound engineer, not as a producer. I'm taking a required course this semester at SFU Surrey which deals with protools and learning some aspects of sound recording (ie environment or tools used to record and edit sound) in relation to working with say cinema (as an example).

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hm, i wonder if any SFU student can take courses at SFU surrey?
cause that'd be something i could take for fun

http://www.aivb.artinstitutes.edu/p...sp?programid=81 Scroll to the bottom, they have an 'Electronic Music Program'. Not sure if its any good but its the only one I know of.

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Originally posted by jesten http://www.aivb.artinstitutes.edu/p...sp?programid=81 Scroll to the bottom, they have an 'Electronic Music Program'. Not sure if its any good but its the only one I know of.

I inquired into this during the fall. I filled out the thing online just ask what the price was, and they ended up phoning me asking for an hour long interview/orientation. I was like "I just want to know how much it is", but they never told me and insisted on the interview. I said I wasn't prepared for something like that at the time, and asked the guy to email me his contact info, but he never did! It sounds like a great program to learn everything you need to know about music production, but I presume that it would an arm and a leg.

Hey guys.

Just saw this thread i though i would post some input. Im in my 2nd year in the recording arts and audio engineering course at AI - Vancouver/Burnaby

The program is VERY comprehensive. It covers everything you need to make it in the industry. Protools and logic audio are two of the main programs you use at the school. We have 3 full analog recording studios as well as the two Main digital studios. I'm specializing in Post production audio for film and television. The studio im in amazing, we have a full Protools Procontrol mixing board (Main unit, edit pack as well as 4 extra fader packs) as well as a an $80,000 5.1 surround sound monitering system.

For all you interested in Electronic music production, each semester you have a "digital music technology" class, It covers every thing you could ever want to know about making beats. in the first year of DMT you cover MIDI theory as well as basic synth concepts like multitimbral setups and basic stuff like that, you are also intorduced to the basic workings of Logic audio, you use Yamaha EX5's in the lower level DMT classes (they arnt that great but they are great for learning the basics. Right now im in my 4th semester of DMT and im into making my own sounds using many diffrent synthesis methods IE: Granular, subtractive, FM, and fractal.

Ill tell you right now DO NOT TAKE THE PROTOOLS COURSE AT BCIT. they do not have enough gear to handel a full class. I heard that they only have 2 or 3 Protools HD systems for a full class, At AI we have on top of our recording studios we have a full protools HD editing Lab. In our Digital audio production class each student has their own HD workstation.....its sweet
Access to the gear is the main reason AI is so good, you get 24 hour access to the studios, If your planning on going expect to spend LONG hours late night in the studio, My personal record for time straight at school is 2 days.

Its a great program, Our teachers are kickass, they are all pros in the industry and they cut through all the BS and get straight to the shit you need to get a job in the industry. Its is very labour and study intensive course, all classes have written exams and all the real hands on classes have a practicle exam. The practical exams are HARDCORE, its you 1 on 1 with your instructor in the studio for an hour, you go through all the shit you learned in the semester.

as for costs your looking at roughly 12-13 grand a year. Its up to you to look at how much you want to do this and what the job markets are like before you invest the money. Its a lot of work but its tons of fun. If you have any questions about it let me know I've almost completed the entire audio program so i know the in's and out's as well as anyone.

oh and one side note. If you are going to do this dont skimp when it comes to the school you are going to. AI-CDIS is the BEST school around for recording arts, thats a fact. The audio program has been around at this school for so many years that the course content is second to none. Our gear is top of the line and upgraded on a regular basis. Like a month after mac g5's were on sale they were at our school.

^ sounds a lot like full sail in orlando, florida
a friend of mine is studying there, very similar to kyle's program but they do a whole program in 1 year, its super intense, they've got labs at 5am, crazy shit. its expensive too, 30 grand a year or something (US$)

Ya Vancouver film school's audio program is way more expensive and its only 1 year....every thing is condensed. Their program is not near as developed as AI's though. We have instructors that have left VFS and are now teaching at AI because of that. Really I would much rather have 2 years.....at AI there is a possibility of a third year as well but i doubt i will be doing it. 2 Years just means a shit load more time to absorb all the info and way more time in the studio.

Hey S/K, It sounds like that course is just awesome. I have one question though. Is it likely that you will find a job in the industry when it is all said and done? I have wanted to go to that school for a couple years now but have been afraid to spend all that money and not find a job.

Thanks in advance.

For starters just want to let you know that I am doing post production for film, There are many more jobs in the film industry then in the music side of things. At our school most of the students go to the music side of things (recording bands, stuff like that). They know that there arnt enough band engineering jobs out there for everyone in Vancity. really I have no intrest in recording bands.....its fun for a bit but that fun is gone when your in the studio at4:30 in the morning with ego tripping punk bands....NOT FUN!!!i got stories


You have to remember that this is a freelance industry, Even if you snag a job straight out of school dont expect it to be a 9-5 gig. You pretty much work project to project, Obviously the first while you are working you are only ging to be getting the shitty gigs but thats how it is anywhere you got to make a name for yourself and climb the ladder.

The days of walking into a big studio and trying to get hired are gone. Right now with how cheap it is to start up a home studio the people that are really going to make names for themselves are the ones that buy a nice editing suite and get a couple consistant clients. Really if i wanted i could buy a $10,000 Protools rig and put out PRO post production projects, if your smart about it you could easily pay off the gear.

So really your not going to walk out of school into a job, You got to work and for the really good gigs you need to bust your ass. Its all about networking, meeting the right people, schmoozing at industry events. Just like DJing its ALL about who you know. thats one of the high points of CDIS is that you meet tons of people that are going to be players in the industry.

Vancouver is a saturated market, Probably the hardest city in Canada to get audio gigs. If you travel around to other citys/countrys you'll find there are loads of jobs. Just so you know if you are good at learning other languages there are TONS of jobs in CHina right now....like seriously career making gigs.

Right now i got a pretty good oppurtunity lined up so its looks like i might be set for when im done school.

I could write like 10 pages on all the oppurtunities and pit falls out there, even though its a VERY tough industry to make it in just remember its all in how you look at it. if your good at what you do, your dedicated, and your willing to bust your ass then you should be well off.