Hi, I really need your help with an argument i was having with a friend (who btw is NOT an EDM fan).

I was arguing that EDM is the new form of classical music and that EDM is a direct descendant from classical.

I also said (maybe that was a mistake) that classical is dead, not evolving anymore and that with EDM the possibilities are limitless.

She says that's absolutely not true.

How can I win her over?
Any help from classical musicians would be appreciated in clarifying this...

THANKS!

EDm is not the new form of classical music. EDM is EDM, classical is classical. There are tracks that incorporate both elements, but classical is not dead

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How can I win her over?

is theres something more to this than music here?

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Originally posted by high elmo I was arguing that EDM is the new form of classical music and that EDM is a direct descendant from classical. I also said (maybe that was a mistake) that classical is dead, not evolving anymore and that with EDM the possibilities are limitless. She says that's absolutely not true.THANKS!

well first off, aside from the part that i disagree with you, id EDM is a direct descendant of classical as you say, then i'd say classical still is evolving

and aside from that, classical isn't dead, its just not a music of the masses anymore
debussy rules

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EDM is modern music, classical is classical. It would be ridiculous to even try to draw a comparison between the two as they've so far removed from one another.

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Originally posted by high elmo I also said (maybe that was a mistake) that classical is dead, not evolving anymore and that with EDM the possibilities are limitless.

...thats where YOU lose your argument.

I'd play tracks that have classical sounds like Gouryella - Ligaya(Ferry Corsten Mix)... or Barber's Adagio for Strings, etc. But you will lose arguments if you use words like "always" "every" "limitless"... that's simply not true... Some EDM incorporates classical and classical style tracks are still produced today for movie soundtracks mostly.

Forgot to mention that one thing Classical shares with EDM is the rarity of vocals, I guess vocal EDM is synonymous with opera in the allegory.

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Originally posted by DjCoz Forgot to mention that one thing Classical shares with EDM is the rarity of vocals, I guess vocal EDM is synonymous with opera in the allegory.

That's not true, you hardly ever hear vocal-less hip hop tracks.

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Originally posted by Tranc3 That's not true, you hardly ever hear vocal-less hip hop tracks.

DJ Shadow, DJ Krush, RJD2, Prefuse 73... You'd be suprised.

Play Hybrid - Finished Symphony and/or stfu.

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Originally posted by TwoPlow DJ Shadow, DJ Krush, RJD2, Prefuse 73... You'd be suprised. Play Hybrid - Finished Symphony and/or stfu.

I was talking about the commerial hip-hop, not Shadow/Lavelle/Dan the Automator kind of stuff

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Originally posted by high elmo Hi, I really need your help with an argument i was having with a friend (who btw is NOT an EDM fan). I was arguing that EDM is the new form of classical music and that EDM is a direct descendant from classical. I also said (maybe that was a mistake) that classical is dead, not evolving anymore and that with EDM the possibilities are limitless. She says that's absolutely not true. How can I win her over? Any help from classical musicians would be appreciated in clarifying this... THANKS!

Electronic Dance Music evolved from the minimalist experiences that took place in 1950's. Also, the idea of producing music with electronic music was born from classical composers since the beggining of the last century (the Dadaist movement was incredibly important) and it was indeed taken as the next step to ordinary music.

Afterwards, the music started to become more complex as the gear used was more advanced and...

*snare roll*

... there you have modern electronic (dance) music. That's why you have people like Jean-Michel Jarre (who was important to the history of electronic dance music), Kraftwerk (yet another important person) and so on. It's a very long explanation, which you can find if you search "history of edm" here on the forums. Therefore,

you get the biscuit

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EDM can't be connected to classical music really.. however _melodic_ trance can, that's two different things you know :Q

Both genres (mel. trance and classical music) are based around the keyword 'melody'. Furthermore, in classical music the composer writes his composition and gives it to the orchestra to play. In electronic music it's the same but instead of an orchestra one have computers and synthesizers.
Also, a large amount of trance producers are classicaly trained (I'm one of them). I play the violin and preferably classical music (in minor ) with harmonious and beautiful progressions. The thing is that I often stumble on these kinds of harmonies in melodic trance music too. So there you have the resemblance.

to say that classical music is dead was indeed a mistake.. shame on you :E And to say that EDM (or trance) is the new form of classical music is also totally wrong.. they have similarities (like I pointed out) but to compare them THAT far is just ridicilous.

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Last edited by Kaveh on Apr-15-2004 at 01:05

Just to add to what Lira said, read up this thread:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...light=classical


It's all about evolution. Besides, "classical" music (Western art music) of the 20th century was hardly melodic or tonal in the way that most of you think of "classical".