massive list you've got there.. clearly we need to pull out of iraq

sufee_b, great post! When you strip away all the propaganda and rhetoric, and look at the facts you get a clear picture of what's going on.

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Originally posted by igottaknow sufee_b, great post! When you strip away all the propaganda and rhetoric, and look at the facts you get a clear picture of what's going on.

You call those facts??? FACTS?

If those are facts where are there sources??

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Originally posted by igottaknow sufee_b, great post! When you strip away all the propaganda and rhetoric, and look at the facts you get a clear picture of what's going on.

...and none of that was propaganda?

Man, I wish I lived in your world.

How many muslims have died at the hands of other muslims in the name of Islam?
A: Untold millions

Did the world come up with their own conclusions that Saddam had WMD's?
A: yes

Were there no limits to Saddams fostering of violence and Islamic hate agenda throughout that region?
A: no

Did France, as early as the 90's, sponsor Saddams efforts to make a nuclear bomb?
A: Yes

How many people have died in terrorist attacks in the name of Allah?
A: F**kin A

How many of surfer_b's questions were propagandist rhetoric?
A: half

Could I go on?
A: yes

Will you flame me?

^--- Sources

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Originally posted by Q5echo ...and none of that was propaganda? Man, I wish I lived in your world. How many muslims have died at the hands of other muslims in the name of Islam? A: Untold millions Did the world come up with their own conclusions that Saddam had WMD's? A: yes Were there no limits to Saddams fostering of violence and Islamic hate agenda throughout that region? A: no Did France, as early as the 90's, sponsor Saddams efforts to make a nuclear bomb? A: Yes How many people have died in terrorist attacks in the name of Allah? A: F**kin A How many of surfer_b's questions were propagandist rhetoric? A: half Could I go on? A: yes Will you flame me?

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How many of surfer_b's questions were propagandist rhetoric?
A: ALL...
I want source...

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Originally posted by igottaknow ^--- Sources

This is old news all over the place. details are coroberated and abundant.

"According to Dr. Khidir Hamza, who ran Saddam's nuclear bombmaking program in the early 1990s, Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor was built by the French. When the Israelis determined that the reactor's real purpose was to make nuclear weapons, they destroyed it in a 1981 bombing raid."

"From the moment Osirak was hit we knew we had to try another method to get the bomb," Dr. Hamza told the Washington Times in September 2002.

The year before, Dr. Hamza confirmed that the Osirak reactor was never intended to be anything but a nuclear bombmaking plant.

"I went to France in 1974 to buy a reactor, as a starting point, for a plutonium bomb," Hamza told the Carneigie Endowment in November 2000. "It was a long-range project. The reactor would be inspected by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), and the French would be there."

And even after Osirak was taken out, French assistance was critical to Baghdad's continuing plan to get nuclear weapons.

"Just before the Gulf War, the crash program was ongoing to make one bomb from the French fuel," Hamza told the Carniegie group.

"People were putting stock into that one bomb," he said. "They were afraid of even testing the bomb, because Iraq testing that one bomb would be like telling the world that we used the French fuel."

Dr. Hamza said that in 1990 Saddam ordered him to make a single nuclear device using materials obtained from Paris.

"We made a device, actually, minus the core," he told PBS's "Frontline" in October 2001. "And we sat down and did calculations. ... We would have had a small - probably two- to four-kiloton - explosion at the time. ... But the idea was [that Saddam] wanted it on a missile, and he was mad at us for not making it small enough."

"Undoubtedly, one of the things French diplomats now fear most is that a U.S. invasion of Iraq is likely to confirm Dr. Hamza's account, providing undisputable evidence that Baghdad relied on French assistance to make Iraq's most deadly weapon of mass destruction."

Oh goody, it's more anti-American propaganda with a teensy bit of anti-Israel propaganda tossed in at the end for good measure!

This is a perfect example of what we call confirmation bias - coming out with only the facts that support your position and ignoring all the ones that don't. Except in this case it's even better, because the facts are all 100% unsourced and unsubstantiated! Sufee, I noticed this in the Toronto forum too, you're really really good at making up statistics!

Although it seems many people would be happy to refer to this as "stripping away" the propaganda, as opposed to creating it. Ah well, perhaps I'll debunk this one later, although sufee doesn't take too well to that from what I remember.

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Originally posted by sufee_b

Boy ... that's an impressive amount of rhetoric and unsubstantiated statements with complete disregard for context. Perhaps you should work for the bush administration?

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Originally posted by igottaknow ^--- Sources

Clinton is on the record a few times saying they had WMD. There never was a question about that with anyone really. The UN, French Intelligence, British, German, Russian, Gore, Clinton, everyone agreed they were there.

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Originally posted by Q5echo Clinton is on the record a few times saying they had WMD. There never was a question about that with anyone really. The UN, French Intelligence, British, German, Russian, Gore, Clinton, everyone agreed they were there.

Everyone once believed (incorrectly) the world was flat. What's you're point? The IQ test doesn't call into question whether anyone "believed" that there were WMDs in Iraq. Sounds like you failed the test.

To the best of my recollection the US has never gone to war with a country because they had a WMD program or in the future that they might start one, until Iraq. Even after Iraq the US has made it clear they don't intend on declaring war on countries involved in nuclear piliferation or have well documented WMD programs such as N. Korea and Iran.

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