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DaveSZ
When The Levee Breaks



Registered: Jan 2003
Location: ATX
Sad Welcome to 1984

Orwell was two decades off.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/25/opinion/25DOWD.html


quote:


The Orwellian Olsens
By MAUREEN DOWD

Published: April 25, 2004



WASHINGTON

It's their reality. We just live and die in it.

In Bushworld, our troops go to war and get killed, but you never see the bodies coming home.

In Bushworld, flag-draped remains of the fallen are important to revere and show the nation, but only in political ads hawking the president's leadership against terror.

In Bushworld, we can create an exciting Iraqi democracy as long as it doesn't control its own military, pass any laws or have any power.

In Bushworld, we can win over Falluja by bulldozing it.

In Bushworld, it was worth going to war so Iraqis can express their feelings ("Down With America!") without having their tongues cut out, although we cannot yet allow them to express intemperate feelings in newspapers ("Down With America!") without shutting them down.

In Bushworld, it's fine to take $700 million that Congress provided for the war in Afghanistan and 9/11 recovery and divert it to the war in Iraq that you're insisting you're not planning.

In Bushworld, you don't consult your father, the expert in being president during a war with Iraq, but you do talk to your Higher Father, who can't talk back to warn you to get an exit strategy or chide you for using Him for political purposes.

In Bushworld, it's O.K. to run for re-election as the avenger of 9/11, even as you make secret deals with the Arab kingdom where most of the 9/11 hijackers came from.

In Bushworld, you get to strut around like a tough military guy and paint your rival as a chicken hawk, even though he's the one who won medals in combat and was praised by his superior officers for fulfilling all his obligations.

In Bushworld, it makes sense to press for transparency in Mr. and Mrs. Rival while cultivating your own opacity.

In Bushworld, you can reign as the antiterror president even after hearing an intelligence report about Al Qaeda's plans to attack America and then stepping outside to clear brush.

In Bushworld, those who dissemble about the troops and money it will take to get Iraq on its feet are patriots, while those who are honest are patronizingly marginalized.

In Bushworld, they struggle to keep church and state separate in Iraq, even as they increasingly merge the two in America.

In Bushworld, you can claim to be the environmental president on Earth Day while being the industry president every other day.

In Bushworld, you brag about how well Afghanistan is going, even though soldiers like Pat Tillman are still dying and the Taliban are running freely around the border areas, hiding Osama and delaying elections.

In Bushworld, imperfect intelligence is good enough to knock over Iraq. But even better evidence that North Korea is building the weapons that Saddam could only dream about is hidden away.

In Bushworld, the C.I.A. says it can't find out whether there are W.M.D. in Iraq unless we invade on the grounds that there are W.M.D.

In Bushworld, there's no irony that so many who did so much to avoid the Vietnam draft have now strained the military so much that lawmakers are talking about bringing back the draft.

In Bushworld, we're making progress in the war on terror by fighting a war that creates terrorists.

In Bushworld, you don't need to bother asking your vice president and top Defense Department officials whether you should go to war in Iraq, because they've already maneuvered you into going to war.

In Bushworld, it's perfectly natural for the president and vice president to appear before the 9/11 commission like the Olsen twins.

In Bushworld, you expound on remaking the Middle East and spreading pro-American sentiments even as you expand anti-American sentiments by ineptly occupying Iraq and unstintingly backing Ariel Sharon on West Bank settlements.

In Bushworld, we went to war to give Iraq a democratic process, yet we disdain the democratic process that causes allies to pull out troops.

In Bushworld, you pride yourself on the fact that your administration does not leak to the press, while you flood the best-known journalist in Washington with inside information.

In Bushworld, you list Bob Woodward's "Plan of Attack" as recommended reading on your campaign Web site, even though it makes you seem divorced from reality. That is, unless you live in Bushworld.

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Shakka
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Fuck Maureen Dowd and the horse she rode in on. One of the most politically agendized writers I've ever encountered.

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DaveSZ
When The Levee Breaks



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quote:
Originally posted by Shakka
Fuck Maureen Dowd and the horse she rode in on. One of the most politically agendized writers I've ever encountered.



Can you refute much of what she's written though?

I know for a fact that the government has been harassing at least some political dissenters who create blogs and other similar websites.

We have Ashcroft locking up American citizens without right to trial and attorney for an indefinite time.

We have an FCC that has begun to censor political speech on the radio, and they are talking about regulating cable now.

Most of the media is corporately controlled, and was used to dupe the American public into believing Saddam and Al Qaeda were linked. Most Americans still continue to believe this.

The Fifth Circuit court ruled that police in their jurisdiction can enter or search people's homes now without a warrant.

Karl Rove cut a secret deal with the owners of some major media empires (like GE) to further deregulate the industry if they would whore for Bush.

Freedom hangs by one US Supreme Court vote, and Sandra O Connor can actually go either way on most issues.

We are on the precipice of a Christian Fundamentalist totalitarian state, and people need to WAKE THE FUCK UP before it’s too late.

Is your tax cut worth more than freedom? What is freedom worth to you?

I’ll probably get dragged away in the night now for even writing this.


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NeoPhono
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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: In Orbit

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ide...55p-79552c.html

http://www.newsmax.com/showinsideco...003/5/28/103233

http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20030522.html

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conte...01/741snfel.asp

http://www.washingtonian.com/people/dowd.html

Those should get you started on her wonderful history and love in the journalistic world. She's a sensationalist reporter who was investegated for misquoting Bush, among publishing other falicies in her "reporting." She uses sharp "wit" backed by little substance to shock her readers into support. She is merely a mean woman spewing forth her propaganda to increase her readership and own intentions. Just a look at her recent article titles can show that.

Recent Articles

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DigiNut
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Sorry, I've seen a lot of valid criticism of Bush but this is pure propaganda.

Next please!


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BadBadNeil
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Maybe find an propaganda article that rules in favor of Bush and then we can debate the good and bad points. Otherwise we just see this obvious anti Bush woman and her rantings.

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I think it's funny that ya'll are doing exactly what the Bush administration does when there is a dissenter. Try and damage the person's charachter and question her motives without addressing the points she brings up.


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DigiNut
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quote:
Originally posted by surferfb
I think it's funny that ya'll are doing exactly what the Bush administration does when there is a dissenter. Try and damage the person's charachter and question her motives without addressing the points she brings up.

So it should be up to us, the reader, to research every single point and find out what the hell she's talking about and if it's accurate?

Wouldn't it be a lot easier to recognize that this woman has no credibility and spins things/makes things up?

I've almost never argued with the "honest" criticism of Bush, of which there has been a hell of a lot. But this "article" is nothing but agendized propaganda.


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quote:
Originally posted by surferfb
I think it's funny that ya'll are doing exactly what the Bush administration does when there is a dissenter. Try and damage the person's charachter and question her motives without addressing the points she brings up.


I'm not sure what "points" there are to address.

She isn't attempting to make an argument (or if she is, she's lacking a set of premises and a conclusion).

All I can see are unsubstantiated claims. She makes general statements about George W. Bush and provides no evidence to demonstrate their veracity or relevance. It's not informative, or witty, or even interesting.

These truths having been considered, what is there to respond to?

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Cal
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Registered: Aug 2002
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Damn, you people are slow.

Her conclusion is that the US today is alike to Orwell's vision in his book called "1984."

And then she lists her premises, most of which, if not all, are known to be true to anyone that takes interest in today's politics.

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DigiNut
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quote:
Originally posted by Cal
Damn, you people are slow.

Her conclusion is that the US today is alike to Orwell's vision in his book called "1984."

And then she lists her premises, most of which, if not all, are known to be true to anyone that takes interest in today's politics.

Oh great, it's the invasion of the one-liners.

Yes, I think we ALL figured out what her "conclusion" is. The point that everyone's been making is that her premises, as well as her conclusion, are bullshit (if they exist at all), not "known to be true to anyone that takes interest in today's politics." The entire article lacks any kind of coherent logic. And a set of unsubstantiated claims designed to come to a conclusion that is not at all logical even if those claims are true is precisely what we call propaganda!


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Cal
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quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
Oh great, it's the invasion of the one-liners.

Yes, I think we ALL figured out what her "conclusion" is. The point that everyone's been making is that her premises are bullshit, not "known to be true to anyone that takes interest in today's politics."


Are you sure you don't live in the US?

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