It has nothing to do with ignoring certain countries or whatnot, it has to do with member activity from that area.

I guess you can consider this your petition - you need at least 15 active members to ask Swamper for a new forum.

I understand your politics Tranc3, i will look for 15 persons to seeing if we can create the new forum..

Thank you.

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Originally posted by Telemakko I am very angry with the managers of the forum, Assurance that people would enter more if you were creating it..

Hello, I'm Lira and I'm the moderator of the Ibero-American forum, so maybe I can help you a little. Here are some things you should consider before asking for yet another regional forum:

• Creation of forums are based on the amount of regular users and need: Not by political reasons. The only reason why Ibero-America could be created was because we gathered more than 15 people (who posted regularly) and waited for 3 months before the administrator could give us our forum. As for Spain's particular case, read the next topic.
  
• Spain already has a regional forum: Differently from many other important countries (such as Italy), Spain already has a place where you can talk about regional events. Just because you share it with other Spanish speaking countries doesn't mean you're being ignored (Portugal is also in the European Union, by the way). If the messages about Spain were clogging the forum, this would be a fair reason for the creation of a new forum, but this is not the case at all (even us Brazilians post more than you Spaniards do). I usually support the creation of new forums (read the threads about the creation of the Belgian and the Russian forum and you'll see I was helping them as much as I could), but this is not the case. In fact, the only reason why the forum is called "Ibero-America" is because there are the Iberian countries (Spain and Portugal). If it make you any happier, we can rename the forum to "latin forum" and call the French to make us company
  
• Lack of need: Like I said, the Spanish users don't post that much (the whole explanation is in the Spanish thread). Spain is, indeed the country that posts the most in the Spanish-speaking forum (the same way Brazilians have taken over the Portuguese-speaking forum), but it's not like we're having problems with it. In fact, Ibero-America itself is the regional forum with less posts (currently 9317), whereas more recent forums (like the Belgian) have way more posts (currently 19433). Finally, the Spanish speaking forum has just 30% of all posts in Ibero-America (the Portuguese speaking forum has the other 70%). Therefore, the numbers prove there's no need for yet another forum.
  
• Anger is useless: Sit back, think of what (and how) you're doing and check if it's really worth it. You already posted an irate thread in the Spanish forum, in which you were unable to say what your reasons are (as a foreigner, it just seemed to me to be a case of boastful nationalism, which is comprehensible). If you really want something, don't be carried way by your emotions. Check what the conditions are and what you can do (i.e. in this case, instead of creating another forum, make the Spanish users post more and have a more active forum). Otherwise, you may fail even in cases where you could get something.
  

Hope this could be of any help

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The problem is that when a spanish user enters to TA thinks is only in english and in here not many ppl have the level of english for post frequently. So they don't see a forum where to talk in spanish and they don't register. In fact in the beginning I didn't realize that existed a spanish forum.

I think many spanish ppl would register if they see a Spain Forum and they would know TA. It's easy just post a link of Tranceaddict in the most important spanish EDM websites and many clubbers will register. I'm sure if we make a good advertising many new users would register and Spain will have a own forum soon.

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Originally posted by Lira If it make you any happier, we can rename the forum to "latin forum" and call the French to make us company

Agreed with all the rest!! Lira
but in this point I disagree. Latin sounds me strange... I'm not consider latin for living in Spain, and I'm sure my french neighbours don't do too. For me it's a false stereotype.
Sounds me better mediterranean forums where spanish, french, italian, greeks clubbers discuss

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Originally posted by UnBracKo I'm not consider latin for living in Spain, and I'm sure my french neighbours don't do too. For me it's a false stereotype.

It's not a stereotype, it's a fact.

A couple of millenia ago, the Roman Empire ruled the shore of the Mediterranean sea (known as "Mare Nostrum") and they conquered/colonised this part. These conquerers/settlers soon started a miscigenation process with the natives and vulgar latin become the language spoken in these areas (with different characteristics according to the area). Despite of the obvious differences, they all have this linguistic and cultural link amongst themselves. Later on, these dialects became proper languages known as the Romance languages, and each people acquired their own identity as soon as the idea of State emerged (back in Portugal in the 15th century, for example).

As we all know, most parts of America were colonised by countries that shared this roman/latin ancestry, like Portugal, France and Spain (reminder: "Latin" stands for "Lazio", region where Rome is located)... not to mention that both Amerigo Vespucci and Christopher Columbus were Italian. This is why we have some things in common (like the Catholic religion, hot blood and languages that look alike - reason why I didn't bother translating "mare nostrum"). The difference between the people who colonised America and those who remained in Europe is simple: here miscigenation once again played an important role (in fact, if you're very picky, you can divide South America in 3 parts, for example, since miscigenation was different in the Platin countries, in the Andine countries and in Brazil).

And that's about it. Soon, our cultures will be even more different, our languages will look weirder to us and we'll still have the same origin: thanks to those Roman colonisers who conquered new lands and the Iberian sailors that "discovered" America.

Nevertheless, keep in mind we're divided by 4 words
Latino: Latin America (this is the word you're thinking of, and which seems to have some prejudice linked to it)
Hispanic: Latin America + Iberia
Latin: Hispanic countries + France + Italy + Romania, etc...

... and, the one you mentioned:

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Originally posted by UnBracKo Sounds me better mediterranean forums where spanish, french, italian, greeks clubbers discuss

"Mediterranean" could be applied if:
1) All people from the Mediterranean were added (from Morocco till Yugoslavia)
2) Depending on the interpretation, we, from Latin America were ditched (if you consider the historical factors, we would still be with you; if you consider the geography, we're automatically out).
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If "Ibero" stands for the Iberian peninsula, and America stands for the countries colonised by the Iberian countries, I can't see what the problem is.

In fact, why divide when we can unite? In the end of the day, we're humans anyway. Except for my brother, I can't decide what he is

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Originally posted by Lira Nevertheless, keep in mind we're divided by 4 words Latino: Latin America (this is the word you're thinking of, and which seems to have some prejudice linked to it) Hispanic: Latin America + Iberia Latin: Hispanic countries + France + Italy + Romania, etc...

I confused words, I thought you were refering us like latinos

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"Mediterranean" could be applied if: 1) All people from the Mediterranean were added (from Morocco till Yugoslavia) 2) Depending on the interpretation, we, from Latin America were ditched (if you consider the historical factors, we would still be with you; if you consider the geography, we're automatically out). ----------

Since I named 4 countries I considered historical, cultural factors however a part of Spain, France and Italy is not mediterranean but in general we can consider these countries mediterranean.

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If "Ibero" stands for the Iberian peninsula, and America stands for the countries colonised by the Iberian countries, I can't see what the problem is. In fact, why divide when we can unite? In the end of the day, we're humans anyway. Except for my brother, I can't decide what he is

Yeah but nowadays we are more closed to europeans and not to south-americans. No problem with it just its a bit odd to see Spain in the Ibero-America group and then see Europe forums next to us. Seems like we are too far from Europe and we are in Europe!!

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Hola !!

Lira me ha gustado tu clase de historia pero hay muchas cosas en las que no estoy de acuerdo y que no voy a entrar.. pero está claro que en historia estás suspenso o por lo menos en su interpretación en lo que actualmente entendemos por "Latino" e "Ibero" palabras que no corresponden con lo que dices..las cultiras ibero-americana y española difieren bastante aunque tengan un idioma común..y no quiero entrar más en este tema por que tú no eres español y no puedes terminar de entenderlo

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Originally posted by UnBracKo The problem is that when a spanish user enters to TA thinks is only in english and in here not many ppl have the level of english for post frequently. So they don't see a forum where to talk in spanish and they don't register. In fact in the beginning I didn't realize that existed a spanish forum. I think many spanish ppl would register if they see a Spain Forum and they would know TA. It's easy just post a link of Tranceaddict in the most important spanish EDM websites and many clubbers will register. I'm sure if we make a good advertising many new users would register and Spain will have a own forum soon.

Totalmente de acuerdo con Unbracko yo por ejemplo lo leo y lo entiendo pero escrito muy mal xD y bueno com yo muchos españoles..

Como bien decía UnBracko si tuviéramos un foro español te puedo asegurar que habría más volumen de mensajes pero mucha gente no se registra o no entra por el motivo de no tener un foro claramente diferenciado para españoles ya que en españa hay muchas webs trance con mogollón de tráfico de mensajes y te puedo asegurar que el foro de tranceaddict se vería beneficiado en poco tiempo ya que por lo que a mi respecta traería a bastante gente a este foro por lo que vosotros sereis los primeros beneficiados por aumentar vustra popularidad (más de la que tiene)..


Salu2 y gracias

Hola otra vez!

Mirando lo del tráfico de mensajes entre foros me he dado cuenta que el foro español tiene más tráfico que el Finlandés por ejemplo:

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Por lo que veo que hay foros como el Finladés que está dentro del europeo y tiene menos tráfico que el español !!

Lira,no entiendo por qué tanta oposición a meter nuestro foro dónde corresponde !! perdona que me obligado a pensar en otras razones menos objetivas por la no creación del mismo dadas las circunstancias..


Salu2.

at the end of the day ur probs not gonna get a forum, coz there is nowhere near enough ACTIVE members or scene in said country to warrent one, you were lucky to get the ibero american one and lok at that, its dead.

i think the 15 person rules should change because you get a lot of people who post once to say there should be a forum then never appear again. it should be based o nthe amount of regular memebers.

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Telemakko, el foro finlandés fue creado este año mientras el foro hispano-hablante existe hace dos años... y ellos casi tienen la misma cuantidad de mensajes.

Yo soy contra la creación de un nuevo foro regional porque: Ustedes ya lo tienen. Como ya he dicho, aunque lo tengan junto de los TA's de América, no podrían tenerlo sin ellos, por causa de la cuantidad de personas. Si hubiera ahora un foro solamente para los europeos, tendríamos un foro americano aún/aun menor. Mira cuantas pessoas han contestado en tus tópicos: no creo que hayan tantos españoles regularmente postando acá, ¿no es?

Tu, por ejemplo, no tienes ni 20 mensajes, y estás registrado hace mucho tiempo

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