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Poll: Many Americans Still Unsure Whom To Vote Against

Kinda sums it up really:

http://www.theonion.com/news/index....22&n=1&bypass=1


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NeoPhono
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I love it.

I want to make a shirt that says "Anyone but Bush," on the front and "I'm a tool" on the back. The idea of voting for someone just because they're not someone else to me is ridiculous. I wouldn't mind as much if people who were going to vote for Kerry actually knew a single platform he stood on, but when their only rationale for the vote is that "he's not Bush," it makes me sick. He could be Hitler incarnate for all they know and they'd flock to the polls voting for him simply because of who he isn't. IMO, it is a voter's responsiblity to make informed decisions, not ones that are based on who is person isn't.

Old Post Jun-02-2004 20:14  United States
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BadBadNeil
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It should be 100% that don't know who they are voting for because its too early to tell at this point. These polls are absurd as is our party system. You have >50% of the public voting along party lines no matter how good or bad their candidate is, then you have the poeple who vote for the other person just because they don't like the current president.

I guess I'm the other small percent, the people who refuse to vote because I hate party affiliations. When there is a single party with a country that votes because of issues and not lines, then I will be the first to get in line to punch my chad.

Boy those are some bad photos of both candidates Kerry looks like a mule in that photo.

Old Post Jun-02-2004 20:20  United States
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St_Andrew
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Registered: May 2003
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lol yeah agree. but i really think that you need to reform your way of voting to get this to change. i think i would probably also "vote against bush" in this election if i lived in the US, even though kerry seems to be a not-so-good president either...

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Both fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down. Kerry likes the smell of his upper lip.

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quote:
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http://www.johnkerryisadouchebagbut...rhimanyway.com/



I agree with that site. Anyone but Bush...


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quote:
Originally posted by NeoPhono
He could be Hitler incarnate for all they know and they'd flock to the polls voting for him simply because of who he isn't.


I agree, and it says quite a lot about Bush IMO. Even more than about the "sheeps".

Old Post Jun-03-2004 06:11  Denmark
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DaveSZ
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Registered: Jan 2003
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The main reason I'm supporting Kerry is because I don't want Bush to appoint people like Roy Moore to the US Supreme Court who will rule for another 40 years.

No I don't like Kerry much either, but I also enjoy living in a non-totalitarian theocracy.



We're talking about a guy who thinks God made him president, told him to attack Iraq, and thinks the jury's still out on whether or not evolution is real.

That seems pretty scary any way you look at it.

It's not that I have anything against Bush for his personal beliefs, but he still represents everyone and not only Fundamentalist Christians.


I guess if you care about the environment, then that could be an issue to vote on as well.

http://www.lcv.org/News/News.cfm?ID=2776&c=27


quote:


Bush, Kerry are worlds apart on environment


Erin Kelly, Gannett News Service
June 2, 2004




President Bush and Democratic Sen. John Kerry disagree on nearly every major environmental issue. And their clash on topics from clean air to wilderness protection could help determine who wins battleground states in the race for the White House.

"This is the Grand Canyon of issue differences," said Bill Lunch, a political scientist at Oregon State University. "Bush and Kerry are more polarized on the environment than on just about any other topic."

Among their splits:

-- Bush called on Congress to open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil drilling. Kerry led the successful Senate fight to stop it.

-- Kerry voted to prohibit coal-mining companies from dumping waste in rivers, lakes and streams. Bush lifted a ban on the practice.

-- Bush has rejected an international treaty to reduce global warming that Kerry helped negotiate.

Although no one believes the environment will be the top issue in this year's presidential race, it could influence the outcome in such swing states as Oregon, Florida, Wisconsin and New Mexico. The League of Conservation Voters -- the political arm of the nation's major environmental groups -- plans to spend about $ 6 million in those states to try to persuade voters to choose Kerry over Bush.

A new poll of 1,000 Americans by Yale University showed that 84 percent of those questioned said the environment will be a factor in their vote in November. About 35 percent said the environment will be a "major factor."





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Both fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down. Kerry likes the smell of his upper lip.



LOL Kerry looks like a horse, and Bush a chimp.

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DaveSZ
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http://www.lewrockwell.com/reese/reese74.html


Vote for a Man, Not a Puppet
by Charley Reese




Americans should realize that if they vote for President Bush's re-election, they are really voting for the architects of war – Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and the rest of that cabal of neoconservative ideologues and their corporate backers.

I have sadly come to the conclusion that President Bush is merely a frontman, an empty suit, who is manipulated by the people in his administration. Bush has the most dangerously simplistic view of the world of any president in my memory.

It's no wonder the president avoids press conferences like the plague. Take away his cue cards and he can barely talk. Americans should be embarrassed that an Arab king (Abdullah of Jordan) spoke more fluently and articulately in English than our own president at their joint press conference recently.

John Kerry is at least an educated man, well-read, who knows how to think and who knows that the world is a great deal more complex than Bush's comic-book world of American heroes and foreign evildoers. It's unfortunate that in our poorly educated country, Kerry's very intelligence and refusal to adopt simplistic slogans might doom his presidential election efforts.

But Thomas Jefferson said it well, as he did so often, when he observed that people who expect to be ignorant and free expect what never was and never will be.

People who think of themselves as conservatives will really display their stupidity, as I did in the last election, by voting for Bush. Bush is as far from being a conservative as you can get. Well, he fooled me once, but he won't fool me twice.

It is not at all conservative to balloon government spending, to vastly increase the power of government, to show contempt for the Constitution and the rule of law, or to tell people that foreign outsourcing of American jobs is good for them, that giant fiscal and trade deficits don't matter, and that people should not know what their government is doing. Bush is the most prone-to-classify, the most secretive president in the 20th century. His administration leans dangerously toward the authoritarian.

It's no wonder that the Justice Department has convicted a few Arab-Americans of supporting terrorism. What would you do if you found yourself arrested and a federal prosecutor whispers in your ear that either you can plea-bargain this or the president will designate you an enemy combatant and you'll be held incommunicado for the duration?

This election really is important, not only for domestic reasons, but because Bush's foreign policy has been a dangerous disaster. He's almost restarted the Cold War with Russia and the nuclear arms race. America is not only hated in the Middle East, but it has few friends anywhere in the world thanks to the arrogance and ineptness of the Bush administration. Don't forget, a scientific poll of Europeans found us, Israel, North Korea and Iran as the greatest threats to world peace.

I will swallow a lot of petty policy differences with Kerry to get a man in the White House with brains enough not to blow up the world and us with it. Go to Kerry's Web site and read some of the magazine profiles on him. You'll find that there is a great deal more to Kerry than the GOP attack dogs would have you believe.

Besides, it would be fun to have a president who plays hockey, windsurfs, ride motorcycles, plays the guitar, writes poetry and speaks French. It would be good to have a man in the White House who has killed people face to face. Killing people has a sobering effect on a man and dispels all illusions about war.



May 17, 2004

Charley Reese [send him mail] has been a journalist for 49 years, reporting on everything from sports to politics. From 1969–71, he worked as a campaign staffer for gubernatorial, senatorial and congressional races in several states. He was an editor, assistant to the publisher, and columnist for the Orlando Sentinel from 1971 to 2001. He now writes a syndicated column which is carried on LewRockwell.com. Reese served two years active duty in the U.S. Army as a tank gunner. Write to Charley Reese at P.O. Box 2446, Orlando, FL 32802.

© 2004 by King Features Syndicate, Inc.

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