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mps242
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300,000 dead if we act NOW, 1 million if we wait...

quote:
'Thousands starving in Darfur'
A catastrophe is now unavoidable in Sudan's Darfur region, the United Nations and aid workers say.
Some 300,000 people will starve, even if emergency aid is delivered immediately, according to the head of the United States aid agency.

Some 10,000 people have died, and a million made homeless in a conflict between rebels and Arab militias.

UN officials blame Sudan's government, which they say supports the militias as they rape and kill Darfur's people.

Rainy season

"If we get relief in, we could lose a third of a million. If we do not, it could be a million," said Andrew Natsios, head of USAid.

The figures were based on mortality and malnutrition rates, he said.


We admit we are late - some agencies have been so slow, some donors have been so slow, the government restrictions have been so many
Jan Egeland
UN Under-Secretary General for Humanitarian Affairs
"But that is not a prediction, and we hope it is not true."
He was speaking at a donor conference, where the UN appealed for $236m for Darfur.

The US pledged $188m over 18 months and the EU 10m euros.


Full story at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3772155.stm

Could one of our European debaters please confirm whether the sum total of EU contributions towards this disaster is 10million Euros? I truly hope that individual nations are making contributions and that the EU total is just for the EU organization but not all member states...

another story:

quote:
WHO seeks urgent action to avert Sudan crisis
Child death rate triple that of humanitarian emergency



(CNN) -- Millions of men, women and children may die in the Darfur region of Sudan unless there is an immediate outpouring of international aid, the World Health Organization warned Wednesday.

"A significant increase in disease and death is inevitable without a rapid increase in external help," the WHO said in a written statement. "The catastrophe can only be prevented through an urgent scaling up of the current international response."

The urgent appeal came one day before donor nations were to meet in Geneva to formulate their response to the Sudan crisis.

The crisis in Darfur began after fighting erupted early last year between the Sudanese government, allied militias and rebel groups.

Government-backed Arab militias are carrying out "scorched earth" attacks against black African communities of Darfur, according to the United Nations. The U.N. estimates some 30,000 have been killed in the campaign of ethnic cleansing.

U.N. Emergency Coordinator Jan Egeland last week called the situation in Darfur "the biggest humanitarian drama of our time."

"This is the most dramatic race against the clock that we have anywhere in the world at the moment," he said. "If we lose, hundreds of thousands of women and children, mostly, will perish."


Full story at: http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/afric....who/index.html

quote:
British-US rift on how to deal with Sudan 'cleansing'
By Adrian Blomfield in Nairobi
(Filed: 31/05/2004)


Britain has said it will not support calls for military intervention in Sudan despite warnings that a government campaign of ethnic cleansing against black Muslims in Darfur could cause 350,000 deaths in the next few months.

Alan Goulty, Tony Blair's special envoy to Sudan, said he also opposed sanctions against Khartoum.

The comments are likely to widen a foreign policy rift between Britain and America, the two most important western players in Sudan.

United States officials are convinced that sanctions are the only way of exerting meaningful pressure on Khartoum to avert a catastrophe that is already being compared with the genocide in Rwanda 10 years ago.

But Mr Goulty does not agree. "In the long term, threats of sanctions don't seem likely to produce immediate action and immediate action is what we need," he said.

"The more time we spend dithering, the more people will die." The West has tried to ignore Darfur's war, described by the United Nations as the world's worst humanitarian crisis, since it began a year ago.

It is now too late to stop the ethnic cleansing. Darfur, an area the size of France, is largely empty. Arab militiamen on horses and camels, armed and funded by kinsmen in Khartoum, have ridden across Darfur, burning villages, raping women and executing men of fighting age.

About 30,000 people have been killed. More than a million black Muslim civilians accused by Khartoum of supporting rebels fighting its political and economic marginalisation of Darfur have fled.

Most of them languish in camps in Darfur's desert and Khartoum has done its best to ensure aid organisations cannot get there to feed them.


Full story at: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...5/31/wsud31.xml

quote:
Sudan: Now or Never in Darfur
Africa Report N°80
23 May 2004
This report is currently only available in English, but you may read the media release in Arabic.

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AND RECOMMENDATIONS

A month after the international community solemnly marked the tenth anniversary of the Rwandan genocide in April 2004 with promises of "never again", it faces a man-made humanitarian catastrophe in western Sudan (Darfur) that can easily become nearly as deadly. It is too late to prevent substantial ethnic cleansing, but if the UN Security Council acts decisively -- including by preparing to authorise the use of force as a last resort -- there is just enough time to save hundreds of thousands of lives directly threatened by Sudanese troops and militias and by looming famine and set in train a serious negotiating process to resolve the underlying political problems and reverse the ethnic cleansing.

Since it erupted in February 2003, the conflict has claimed some 30,000 lives, but experts warn that without a rapid international response, what UN officials have already called the worst humanitarian situation in the world today could claim an additional 350,000 in the next nine months, mainly from starvation and disease. Many more will die if the direct killing is not stopped.

The international response thus far has been divided and ineffectual. The Sudan government has gained time to pursue a devastating counter-insurgency strategy against two rebel groups and a wide swathe of civilians by playing on those divisions and the desire of leading states not to put at risk the comprehensive peace agreement that is tantalisingly close between Khartoum and the SPLA insurgency on what for 21 years has been the country’s main civil war.

The ceasefire signed by Khartoum on 8 April 2004 with Darfur rebels is not working in either military or humanitarian terms. Its international monitoring commission has yet to begin, and plans are woefully lacking in numbers, authority and enforcement capacity. The government's strategy for "neutralising", as it promised, the "Janjaweed" militias -- whom it in fact sponsors and who have done the most horrific damage -- is to incorporate them into its formal police and security structures. The political process the ceasefire was supposed to facilitate was still-born.

The majority of the estimated 1.2 million forced from their homes are in poorly run government-controlled Internally Displaced Persons (IDP) camps within Darfur, where they remain vulnerable to attack by the Janjaweed and have inadequate access to relief supplies. The perhaps 200,000 of these victims who have fled across the border into Chad as refugees are not safe either. The Janjaweed have followed them, and the resulting clashes with Chad's army threaten to destabilise that country and produce a full-scale international war.


Full report from International Crisi Group available at: http://www.icg.org/home/index.cfm?l=1&id=2765

quote:
Sudan: Darfur Needs Action on Human Rights
Donor Governments Must Do More Than Provide Aid
(Geneva, June 3, 2004) – Donor governments meeting in Geneva today should address the human rights crisis in Sudan as well as the humanitarian crisis, Human Rights Watch said today.


Currently one million people are internally displaced within Darfur, an arid region in western Sudan, and another 110,000 refugees have fled to Chad. All of them desperately need humanitarian assistance. The United Nations has called Darfur “the worst humanitarian crisis in the world today.”

But the root cause of this humanitarian crisis is the Sudanese government’s campaign of “ethnic cleansing” against civilians of three ethnic groups. Only by addressing the human rights crisis can donor governments hope to solve the humanitarian disaster, Human Rights Watch said.

“The crisis in Darfur is a manmade emergency,” said Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch. “Humanitarian aid is urgently needed, but it is not enough. A political solution is necessary: the Sudanese government’s ethnic cleansing must not stand.”


More information available at: http://hrw.org/english/docs/2004/06...dan8725_txt.htm


How many times must the world say "never again" before we actually mean it? Please write, call, or visit your congresspersons, PMs, or other elected officials to remind them of the meaning of the word "never" and ask them to take action....

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malek
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do they have oil?

no?


then who cares...










yeah, its fucking terrible


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St_Andrew
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yeah, were are the liberators when we need them?

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imokruok
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Registered: Aug 2003
Location: Los Angeles, CA / Milwaukee, WI

quote:
Originally posted by St_Andrew
yeah, were are the liberators when we need them?


In Europe. You guys screwed that place up; you want it fixed, you go fix it. As for me, I'm perfectly happy to see them all in civil war until they bleed themselves out of it - both literally an figuratively.

The US has always supported Africa financially. Egypt, for example, gets the highest amount of out foreign aid second only to Israel. And along with South Africa, aid agencies in Nigeria and Zimbabwe, and Liberia, the US has stepped up to the plate. 'Bout time some other people got involved.


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quote:
Originally posted by malek
do they have oil?

no?


then who cares...




yeah, its fucking terrible


I thought Sudan does have oil...

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mps242
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Location: NY, NY, USA

quote:
Originally posted by BadBadNeil
I thought Sudan does have oil...


They do, and it's European and Canadian oil companies that have funded the genocide (if you believe the reports coming out of there)...

pretty sad bunch when you're willing to allow women and children to slowly starve to death and not give a shit....

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malek
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quote:
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I thought Sudan does have oil...


not in that part of the country.


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Q5echo
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quote:
Originally posted by malek
not in that part of the country.


should that matter?

"Sudan has turned around a struggling economy with sound economic policies and infrastructure investments, but it still faces formidable economic problems, notably the low level of per capita output. From 1997 to date, Sudan has been implementing IMF macroeconomic reforms. In 1999 Sudan began exporting crude oil and in the last quarter of 1999 recorded its first trade surplus, which, along with monetary policy, has stabilized the exchange rate. Increased oil production, revived light industry, and expanded export processing zones helped maintain GDP growth at 5.1% in 2002. Agriculture production remains Sudan's most important sector, employing 80% of the work force and contributing 43% of GDP, but most farms remain rain-fed and susceptible to drought. Chronic domestic instability, lagging reforms, adverse weather, and weak world agricultural prices - but, above all, the low starting point - ensure that much of the population will remain at or below the poverty line for years."

563 million bbs. proven.
more expected upon exploration
OPEC observer status
major Canadian exporter

You sure radical Islam isn't going to screw that country into the dirt?

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The US probably sent over a couple planeloads of blankets, but their forces are stretched and won't act unless it's in their interests. Where's the UN at? Worthless society they are. Repeat of Rwanda.

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mps242
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Notice how people who normally complain that the US shouldn't police the world are now eerily silent when they get a chance to step up?

And the US has been sending food aid to sudan for years. I think the total, including what we've just pledged, is around 250 million... So far all I can confirm is that Europe, as a whole, has decided to donate 10 million Euros...

And I thought the EU was committed to providing 3% of its GDP to foreign aid?!?!?

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St_Andrew
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sweden alone's total contributions to sudan 2003 was 13 million dollars. which mean that if you recalculate it to the size of US, it would have been more than 400 million dollars. donno about the rest of the EU members, but i guess they are doing their job too

quote:
Originally posted by imokruok
In Europe. You guys screwed that place up; you want it fixed, you go fix it. As for me, I'm perfectly happy to see them all in civil war until they bleed themselves out of it - both literally an figuratively.


so it's okay to liberate iraq, but these people better fix it themselves?

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quote:
Originally posted by emander
The US probably sent over a couple planeloads of blankets, but their forces are stretched and won't act unless it's in their interests. Where's the UN at? Worthless society they are. Repeat of Rwanda.


Ha ha!!Typical moron.


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