Just been lying in bed this morning flicking through some of my old 'Kerrang' magazines and had a total insight into what a complete wanker I used to be

Looking at some of those people and with the benefit of a bit of reflection, I think what used to piss me off the most about the skate punk / metal scene and why I love trance so much now, is the total contrast with the aggression and the ego's of individual people.

I'm just looking at these pictures and laughing, it's totally like you go to your average rock club and all the people there are a bunch of assholes standing around with their thumbs in their belt loops on their jeans, all these black t shirts, uniform beer can in hand and scowl on face, desperately trying to look cool and moody and more staunch than their mates. Even the girls look bloody intensely miserable.

And if you try and dance at a rock or metal gig there's aggro there too, there's so many people trying to get to the front of the mosh pit (what a stupid concept!) and it ends up just like being on the bottom of a rugby scrum against the All Blacks for 3 hours. And if you start actually trying to move any part of your body other than just jumping straight up and down and banging your head a little bit in time to the beat, you always seem to collide into some wanker who gets all uppity and kidney punches you back or just starts crowd surfing on your head and trying to kick you with their Doc Martens.

So by comparison, for me it was a fuckin blinding ray of light the first time I got suckered into going along to a trance club, I was just blown away that these people had obviously gone out with the sole intention of just getting lost in the music and having a brilliant time, not posing or trying to pull some unfortunate chick, guys and girls actually mixing together without all the dumb ass aggro and testosterone tension, everyone actually happy and smiling, not caring about anything except dancing to the music the way they felt like, not trying to act like they're the man or the cool girl (although of course it's that very lack of posing and self consciousness that makes trance chicks so goddam sexy )

Anyway that was a wicked night out and still one of my best memories ever, we went home at about 6 o'clock that morning and I was just utterly gob smacked by how cool a time I'd had (by the way that club was in London, 'Fahrenhite', in the Soundshaft in Charing Cross, and it's a bloody top recommendation ) I went and bought the original 'Trance Nation' MoS compilation later on that day and that was pretty much it, trance addict ever since

Anyway that's about all I can think of saying for now except I'm so glad I got out of that bullshit rock scene. If any of you people have got sulky heavy metal non trancing mates, do them a favour one day, get them to a decent uplifting club even if you have to tie them up with gaffer tape and drag them in on their hands and knees, it's for their own good and they'll thank you for it one day

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I was into the rock shit too...how stupid I was. Anyway, I heard trance and did a complete 180 and have been listening to trance and other types of electronica ever since. I found I was seriously more happy when I started listening to trance. The problem with most rock music is that its all so depressing...trance is so happy and thats why its better, plus it has more substance, melody, everything.

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Originally posted by Kia Kaha Just been lying in bed this morning flicking through some of my old 'Kerrang' magazines and had a total insight into what a complete wanker I used to be Looking at some of those people and with the benefit of a bit of reflection, I think what used to piss me off the most about the skate punk / metal scene and why I love trance so much now, is the total contrast with the aggression and the ego's of individual people. I'm just looking at these pictures and laughing, it's totally like you go to your average rock club and all the people there are a bunch of assholes standing around with their thumbs in their belt loops on their jeans, all these black t shirts, uniform beer can in hand and scowl on face, desperately trying to look cool and moody and more staunch than their mates. Even the girls look bloody intensely miserable. And if you try and dance at a rock or metal gig there's aggro there too, there's so many people trying to get to the front of the mosh pit (what a stupid concept!) and it ends up just like being on the bottom of a rugby scrum against the All Blacks for 3 hours. And if you start actually trying to move any part of your body other than just jumping straight up and down and banging your head a little bit in time to the beat, you always seem to collide into some wanker who gets all uppity and kidney punches you back or just starts crowd surfing on your head and trying to kick you with their Doc Martens. So by comparison, for me it was a fuckin blinding ray of light the first time I got suckered into going along to a trance club, I was just blown away that these people had obviously gone out with the sole intention of just getting lost in the music and having a brilliant time, not posing or trying to pull some unfortunate chick, guys and girls actually mixing together without all the dumb ass aggro and testosterone tension, everyone actually happy and smiling, not caring about anything except dancing to the music the way they felt like, not trying to act like they're the man or the cool girl (although of course it's that very lack of posing and self consciousness that makes trance chicks so goddam sexy ) Anyway that was a wicked night out and still one of my best memories ever, we went home at about 6 o'clock that morning and I was just utterly gob smacked by how cool a time I'd had (by the way that club was in London, 'Fahrenhite', in the Soundshaft in Charing Cross, and it's a bloody top recommendation ) I went and bought the original 'Trance Nation' MoS compilation later on that day and that was pretty much it, trance addict ever since Anyway that's about all I can think of saying for now except I'm so glad I got out of that bullshit rock scene. If any of you people have got sulky heavy metal non trancing mates, do them a favour one day, get them to a decent uplifting club even if you have to tie them up with gaffer tape and drag them in on their hands and knees, it's for their own good and they'll thank you for it one day

you know what: fuck you
all u did was list a couple of reasons why YOU think the PEOPLE WHO LISTEN to rock suck...your so pathetic...in saying all this bullshit, you put yourself right down with all those elecronic haters....u didnt even say a fucking thing about the music itself....pisses me off when people do this
u dont have to like it, just dont publicly bitch about it and diss its fans

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personally, i hate rock (in fact, i like country better ...but i agree its wrong to just get on the people who listen to it. i shold kinda be thankful for rock though, the first trak to get me into trance was a rmx of a rock song (ya, apoptygma berserk- kathys song (f. corsten rmx)).

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^^^^^ i disagree

i think he made valid points.

he's not being a knob like electronic haters, who bash the scene because they've never experienced it and they don't understand it.

he's not making blind generalisations, he's saying what he hated about a scene he used to be a part of.
that's different.

and i agree. to find a scene where people are there for the music, for their own experience, instead of just to belong to some group, is great.

but there are exceptions to every rule.
i have friends who live for rock, hardcore punk, all sorts of things - they get as much satisfaction out of it as i get out of electronic music. i'm not about to tell them their scene and their music sucks.

rock music never moved me in any way - then i heard electronic music, and suddenly i found emotions in music.
to each their own

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Originally posted by feisty boy ^^^^^ i disagree i think he made valid points. he's not being a knob like electronic haters, who bash the scene because they've never experienced it and they don't understand it. he's not making blind generalisations, he's saying what he hated about a scene he used to be a part of. that's different. and i agree. to find a scene where people are there for the music, for their own experience, instead of just to belong to some group, is great. but there are exceptions to every rule. i have friends who live for rock, hardcore punk, all sorts of things - they get as much satisfaction out of it as i get out of electronic music. i'm not about to tell them their scene and their music sucks. rock music never moved me in any way - then i heard electronic music, and suddenly i found emotions in music. to each their own

so explain to me the point of posting a thread about rock in a elecrontic music forum....like i said, u dont have to like it, but to post a thread "why rock sucks" is just moronic
and immature

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I agree his points were totally valid, he didnt have to go into a long tuturial on what he likes about Trance. He just pointed out what he disliked in the scene that he used to love, and why this is so much better. Cheers to you. I agree

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I agree with your statement Fiesty boy.
I used to be soooooo much into punk and hardcore metal and I loved it.
I still do love it but I also love trance. I have noticed that when I started listening to Trance my collection of cd's grew larger and more diverse with every day. I started listening to oldies, country, alternative and many more types of music. I haven't changed my attitude towards my pre-Trance music like some of you have because I am a musician. I play the saxaphone. And I feel that every type of music has emotion in it, You just gotta look in the right places to find it. Look at all those songs that u find depressing. Now think about the story behind those songs and if u try and tell me there are no emotions in it than u seriously need to re-evaluate your view on life. Music Stems from Emotions and Morals, and you just gotta listen to it to figure it out.

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great point electric_hybrid... I tend to agree with you even though I am no musician. Electronic and rock are two very different kinds of music. Both do contain emotion. Rock may get depressing but that is a reflection in the feelings of the artist at the time. Sometimes I wish I could just pick up an instrument and play my sorrows away. My problem with rock is that it is a stagnant art. It doesnt change and hasnt since elvis and hendrix. Where is the innovation and creativity? Anyway point being its all a matter of taste.

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I used to be a headbanger myself, I loved punk and metal, then I switched to electronica, techno was first (waaay back in 1994) and then moved to now when my preference goes to dark progressive but I love all electronica. The attitude of the rock scene is completely opposite to the electronica; yes I agree, that the music and the mosh pit and stuff IMHO suck? yes, but I wouldn't say that rock sucks, It's just another thing, another attitude, we cannot judge, we just changed to another line that's it.

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Originally posted by ta_wilson you know what: fuck you all u did was list a couple of reasons why YOU think the PEOPLE WHO LISTEN to rock suck...your so pathetic...in saying all this bullshit, you put yourself right down with all those elecronic haters....u didnt even say a fucking thing about the music itself....pisses me off when people do this u dont have to like it, just dont publicly bitch about it and diss its fans

Well you are the one who has missed the point man, I was trying to have a go at the fans and leave the music out of it, I was just trying to highlight the happiness and lack of attitude I feel when I'm around trance people, that I never used to get when I was at an AC/DC gig or whatever. That is an issue that in my experience is related to the people rather than the music itself. And before you get on my case again I worked security at a lot of big rock events for years back when I was in university, and trust me I do know what I am talking about, I have seen some truly horrific injuries and knife wounds and fights and aggression and things that you just won't see with dance festivals.

Aaaahhh who gives a shit anyway, as I said I used to think that shit was so cool and used to wear my latest scars with pride, I was only having a laugh at my own expense ... been there got the t shirt (and released the album and done the tour actually). Just, I honestly think I've found something better now. To diss rock music was never the point of the post because there's loads of rock that still floats my boat (although take my hard learned advice, and never try to play your home made trance remix of a metallica song to your mates OK )

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