ok, just after thinking things over, and after all the annoying stereotyping the mainstream crowd does on us...i want to put them in their own place to realize that our music takes the same amount of talent to create (in my opinion more so) as theirs.

here is how i compare a few EDM genres to rock genres:

first off lets look at trance...

trance is based on catchy melodies, or deep melodic bliss. the technical aspect has a melodic line which repeats and broadens as it progresses. to me, in the rock world the best comparative music i can think of is Alternative. think about it, why else would songs like coldplay - clocks be remixed by basically every big trance dj around. alternative puts you into the same mind set as trance, it trys to portray an original melody that takes you to the next level, and the structure is almost identical (not in the arrangement, but in the themed groups)

how bout house...

house has a short catchy riff that is supposed to catch you in the "groove" and stick with it. whether it be deep house or funky house, it has the same type of edge where a groove is constintly played and expanded on as the song progresses (or has its own interpretations by the dj, which is a lot of fun and the most fun music to mix from my experiences)

to this i'd compare punk music. I have punk friends and they just kill me when they call my music repetitive shit....are they fucking kidding me??? do they not realize what they're listening to is the same 3 chords repeated over and over again...or is it the obnoxious, annoying talentless singer who throws them off from that. (i consider alternative singers on the most part to have lots of talent, but punk singers don't have any depth). so essentially they can be getting into the 3 chord 'groove' so to say...thats why i'd link these musics together.

techno music...

techno is usually the hard music which is stereotyped the most, it is mostly just drums and fxs...and sometimes a melodic hook that you can catch in someplaces...but its pretty simple stucture, and its the more underground for of EDM so to say where not everyone would know all the song names like in other forms.

to this i'd have to go with hard rock/metal...they sound nothing alike, obviously, but within the context, they would be comparable to how they are looked at within their genres. Metal is the more hard underground music commonly with a screaming singer (i find very annoying, just sing like normal...geez) and it has a simpler melodic hook and can be seen as just noise (hence why i compare it to techno).


agree, disagree???? remember i'm not saying they sound alike, (with maybe some traits found between trance and alternative) i'm just saying that they're comparable with each other if you had to compare the two scenes. plz feel free to add more comparisons betweens genres!!!

Last edited by djbruuen on Oct-24-2004 at 01:55

thanks for the good read

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Haha, I went from alternative to trance, and I agree that they are pretty similar emotionally.

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Originally posted by icyhandofcrap Haha, I went from alternative to trance, and I agree that they are pretty similar emotionally.

i did to, but there is not way they are alike @ all IMO emotionally that is. but then again that is just my opinion

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i agree as well, great comparisons. and yes it does piss me off when the only flaw my friends find in the music i listen to is its "repetitiveness." yes i admit, it can be very repetitive at times, but i dont care. thats why i listen to livesets and cds where the song changes every 5-6 minutes and two tracks are being mixed for a long ass time.

oh boy, i could rant about this shit for days, but i'll try not to get started.

great read there.

i agree with you.

EDM is like rock music in many ways.
number one point is that there will always be artists whoring the public scene representing their genre in the wrong way, therefore creating the wrong image for that particular genre.

like who thinks New Found Glory and Good Charlotte are considered rock bands? imo, not me. sorry.

i am ok with mainstream and everything, only if it is represented in the right way.

i agree with the alternitave. trance is much more complexe. As for techno being like metal/hardcore. No way in hell. appart for but being underground, they aren't alike at all. Techno may be more repetitive than trance. but this is what allows the DJ to be that much more technical live and to have 3 vinyls on all night long and to improvise alot more then any trance DJ ever could. As for metal/hardcore. I wouldn't say its hardard and simpler then alternative. In fact i would say its 10 times more complexe. These are bands that devote themselves to the music and perfecting it. Because of this alot of them do not become popular because the music is to hard and complexe for the mainstream crowd. Example. Hopesfall, Thursday, In peices. All example of hardcore bands that are brilliant. These bands wont play one riff and reappet it like in punk. they have 4 - 5 rifts per song.

I think when your friend say the music is repetive they are looking and the fact that the base drum follow a 4-4 pattern. While most alternative music still does this. Hardcore does not. Its probably some of the most complexe percussion out there. download some of those bands i mention on you will understand. What your friends are failing to see, and mention this to them next time, is to stop listening to that base drum, and to listen to everything else that goes on in Trance. That's where the best parts happen. the breakdowns, the buildups the melodies. the subtle progressions. If they can't see that then they just don't have a ear for music

my two cents

well if music wasn't repetitive then it wouldn't be music. it would just be random noise or some thing like that

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Stop being such an ignorant fuck. Hard rock and metal are infinitely more complex than any form of dance music. Comparing metal to techno is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Case in point:

A typical hard rock song: Guns 'N Roses- Welcome to the Jungle. It opens with a couple of simple guitar chords, before moving into a repeating riff as the track builds up to the drums. Few more chords, then it bursts into a complex riff. After that the guitars follow the tune of the vocals, changing twice inside a minute. After the chorus it goes into a short solo. Repeats chorus then goes into a quiet bridge with new chords, before going into a full solo. Then it all breaks down to some plucked guitar strings and bass riff, before going back into the chorus with the main riff, but in a different key. This description doesn't even go into the vocals and their tune, or the drum patterns, just the guitars.

This one track alone has more different elements than any single dance tune I've ever heard in my life. And while dance elements are generally simple hooks and arpeggiation, rock songs have long guitar solos in, that can be incredibly complex, and actually require talent to be played, rather than just programmed into a black box.

Now sit down, and shut up.

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My friends all listen to Punk...I'll tell you what..the reason they don't like Trance is because they don't know what a melody is. I gave my friend a few Trance songs and then said to them listen to the melody. They went: "What the hell is a melody?". Offcourse you wouldn't like it if you don't even know how to distinguish sounds of a song.

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Originally posted by djbruuen to this i'd compare punk music. I have punk friends and they just kill me when they call my music repetitive shit....are they fucking kidding me??? do they not realize what they're listening to is the same 3 chords repeated over and over again...or is it the obnoxious, annoying talentless singer who throws them off from that. (i consider alternative singers on the most part to have lots of talent, but punk singers don't have any depth). so essentially they can be getting into the 3 chord 'groove' so to say...thats why i'd link these musics together.

wrong wrong wrong....
just cause your friends are being ignant about trance, doesn't mean you have to attack their music with the same ignorance... try listening to anything other than blink, green day, or good charlotte [shudders]... but we can save this for another thread.. cause punk DEFINITELY isn't as simple as your make it out to be.

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