WHOA!!

An anti-kerry post from someone in CANADA!

*Phew* gimmie a few mins to catch my breath here

With all due respect man, that post was absolutely un-informative...we don't know what he's saying after the BUT for Christ's sake!! How are we to know whether he should be chastized or not if you don't post the entire quote next time...A BUT after a statement does not necessarily imply that he's about to contradict himself or anything along those lines...When will people realize that not everything is black and white...you can have a general framework layed out that you attempt to follow, but there are ALWAYS cases when diverging from the existing framework regarding issue x or y is necessary...thus the BUT...

The word 'BUT' implies contradiction , exception and change of thought...

Show me a sentence where it doesn't then?

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You HAVE to be kidding me.

I love to have sex, but I love to eat more. Any contradiction there? I see none.

Futhermore, I was merely stressing the fact that there are ALWAYS exceptions to every rule you lay down within a certain framework, which would warrant a BUT and which would not be equivalent to me being wishy washy on a certain subject, which was clearly what you wanted to demonstrate in this post of yours. For instance, if you ask me whether I support capital punishment, I'd initially say absolutely not. Then I'd add a BUT, in exceptional circumstances such as a serial killer who has absolutely no chance at being rehabilitated into society like a normal human being, I'd consider the death penalty...does that mean I'm wishy washy on the death penalty??? Personally, I don't think so.

So again, how are we to know anything about Kerry's wishy washiness from this post if you truncate the rest of the quote?

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r The word 'BUT' implies contradiction , exception and change of thought... Show me a sentence where it doesn't then?

meh- im too hung over to deal with this but jesus h christ...

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Originally posted by Epicurus You HAVE to be kidding me. I love to have sex, but I love to eat more. Any contradiction there? I see none.

No but there is change in thought which was exactly my point.

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Futhermore, I was merely stressing the fact that there are ALWAYS exceptions to every rule you lay down within a certain framework, which would warrant a BUT and which would not be equivalent to me being wishy washy on a certain subject, which was clearly what you wanted to demonstrate in this post of yours. For instance, if you ask me whether I support capital punishment, I'd initially say absolutely not. Then I'd add a BUT, in exceptional circumstances such as a serial killer who has absolutely no chance at being rehabilitated into society like a normal human being, I'd consider the death penalty...does that mean I'm wishy washy on the death penalty??? Personally, I don't think so.

Personally, I'd say yes.
I mean, either you do or you don't; why build in an exception?
Stand for something or fall for everything.

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So again, how are we to know anything about Kerry's wishy washiness from this post if you truncate the rest of the quote?

Good question and believe it or not; an answer.
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No but there is change in thought which was exactly my point.

Sure, but is there a change of thought that would make me wishy washy, which was the intent of this thread??? NO. Thus, using a BUT is not tantamount to being wishy washy, which is MY point.

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Personally, I'd say yes. I mean, either you do or you don't; why build in an exception? Stand for something or fall for everything.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. When will people understand that thinking along the above lines is SIMPLETON thinking. It's absolutely primitive. Again, I don't mean to bash you in particular, simply making a general statement.

Usually, people attempt to simplify all their positions, opinions and so forth to fit them into little nice theoretical boxes so that they can then use them to live their lives, to guide them in daily life if you will...which is fine usually. However, when certain circumstances arise that force you to actually think and reconsider your position, people (such as yourself) start crying about wishy washiness because they didn't hold true to the little theoretical construct. Life is more complicated than that.

omg....

"most people dont like war, BUT in some circumstances its necessairly."

it would imo be stupid to to say that something is always wrong or always right, there are always exceptions.

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"most people dont like war, BUT in some circumstances its necessairly."

Thanks St. Andrew, that's an even better example

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Originally posted by Epicurus Sure, but is there a change of thought that would make me wishy washy, which was the intent of this thread??? NO. Thus, using a BUT is not tantamount to being wishy washy, which is MY point.

but in the context of the title of the thread, we are in fact, referring to Kerry and his flip-flopping which is widely accepted as being his biggest problem...

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The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
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