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WMDs just won't go away. That is the subject of this evening's "Talking Points Memo." We now know for sure that Saddam Hussein was bluffing. There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq after 1996, even though U.S. and British intelligence agencies thought there were. Now you can look at the situation in a number of ways: You can say the Bush administration blew it. You can say, as "The Washington Post" did today, that no president could have known for sure about WMDs with faulty intelligence on the table. Or you could say that before America goes to war in the future, it has to be a last resort. All of those points are valid, but this point is not. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) TERRY MCAULIFFE, DNC CHIEF: You said they had weapons of mass destruction. They don't have them. -- Why don't you guys admit the truth, you lied to the American public, and we can move forward and get out of Iraq? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We didn't lie. MCAULIFFE: You're just not telling the truth. (END VIDEO CLIP) "They lied." Why does DNC chief Terry McAuliffe (search) continue to accuse President Bush of lying? Why? No fair-minded person could come to that conclusion. Every time I hear that that, it makes me want to vote for President Bush because McAuliffe is being so disingenuous. You don't hear Kerry and Edwards calling President Bush a liar. So why is the head of the Democratic party doing so? "Talking Points" believes all Americans have a right to form conclusions about the bad intelligence on WMDs. If you think it's Bush's fault, vote for Kerry. That's certainly legitimate. But to continue this lying business -- when we know the intelligence was faulty? That is the lowest. Now tomorrow night in the debate, President Bush will have to explain the WMD report. Here's what he said today. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Based on all the information we had to date, I believe we were right to take action. And America is safer today with Saddam Hussein in prison. The Duelfer report makes clear that much of the accumulated body of 12 years of intelligence, and that of our allies was wrong. And we must find out why and correct the flaws. (END VIDEO CLIP) Again, Americans who believe President Bush did the right thing are going to vote for him. And those who don't will vote for Kerry. -- We don't need this lying business. Remember, Senator Kerry is on the record as saying with the same intelligence Bush had, he might have done the same thing. -- But he would have done it smarter. The problem for the people, is that nobody can know if removing Saddam at the expense of more than 1,000 American lives is worth it. That will only become apparent years down the road. Both Bush and Kerry have both pledged to stay the course in Iraq, but it is impossible to form a definite conclusion on how history will play this out. And that's "The Memo."

"Every time I hear that that, it makes me want to vote for President Bush because McAuliffe is being so disingenuous." haha! i thought he already was?! interesting...

But nevertheless he does make a good point in the end. Opinions?

PS: On the faulty intelligence, I thought about it for a while. It would be like you driving three friends to a PVD Concert, yet all three of them tell you they hear something wrong with your engine. So you check it out at the mechanic and your parents foot the bill. turns out your car was fine, but now theyre pissed about the money. does that make you a liar? no, you were given faulty suggestions by your buddies. so, next time make THEM drive!

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he's just a big mouth who doesnt know about half of what he's tlaking about..


..basically a typical Bush-Worshipper

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What does it say about our Intelligence services that they could be that dead wrong about the capabilites of Iraq. What gets me is that we were told Iraq had these weapons, not some future intent to produce weapons because the French, Germans and Russian politicians were going to help end sanctions against him. My support for this conflict was based on WMDs that threatened America, that was wholly innacurate and now we have a spin being applied to the reason for this war.

If you are going to launch a full scale invasion of a nation you had better be damn accurate in your claims against that nation, we were not. Somehow Central Intelligence Agency sounds like an oxymoron after Iraq. We can indulge in discourse about about how many others believed Saddam had weapons, those othere however were not lined up ready to send 130,000 troops into Iraq as though Iraq had attacked us in the first place.

When I look at Iran and North Korea I can't help but scratch my head and wonder. We talk about war this and war that but history should teach us something about our actions, Iraq will come back to bite us in the ass down the road if history is a barometer for U.S. policies that pursue such paths as in Iraq. The reality is that no one can claim that Hussein was an immediate threat to America as the administration did before the entire world. America is viewed with indignant disgust by others, maybe it doesn't matter, maybe they'll get over it, only time shall tell.

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Originally posted by policerobots PS: On the faulty intelligence, I thought about it for a while. It would be like you driving three friends to a PVD Concert, yet all three of them tell you they hear something wrong with your engine. So you check it out at the mechanic and your parents foot the bill. turns out your car was fine, but now theyre pissed about the money. does that make you a liar? no, you were given faulty suggestions by your buddies. so, next time make THEM drive!

or if your friends were mechanics, so you trusted them. and it turns out they only wanted you to stop so they could rob a nearby liquor store.

or if you called your parents and told them that you were having engine problems and took the money to buy a new stereo.