lol i think a lot of people (at least the dutch ones that remember the hard days) kinda went from hardcore to trance, not other way around. However every now and than nothing beats a good ole distorted 909 kick, however i can go without 180bpm

hardcore... simple things for simple minds..

because ur from the UK i know u know im only jokin.. ye i used to listen to some old hardcore rave music.. when i was 10 i think i can speak for most of us when i say we wanted something a little more imaginative... thus trance

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i agree with pjotr g. me and all of my friends started out with hardcore and gabber but we all kinda mellowed out to trance over the years. the back and knees just don't keep up after a while. specially when you get to be an old man like me. trance makes for nice music to dance to and when the body gives out you can still enjoy it for its' muscial quality.

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Originally posted by Eugene Has it ever occurred to you that you're a mofo yourself? And a crazy one at that...

Why yes. It has occured to me, and by gum I've accepted it.

As for simplicity, hardcore has evolved far past the old skool tunes that Paul Elstak pumped out. It's actually quite impressive, what they are doing nowadays. Take Dj Promo for instance, he's got a trance-y flash to him, but a nice stady beat, sick samples, all beautifully composed. Flawless shit, boys and girls.

THis is Promo's site. Give it a chance, check out the real audio section. I suggest listening to the File 9 RA files. 'My underground Madness'...masterpiece.
www.thirdmovement.nl

I know that hardcore has a reputation, which is why I'm trying to set the record straight. Hardcore has blindingly bright future, and I'm here to see no one keeps the shades down, so to speak. ;D
My ICQ
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kind regards,

the black sun emperor

post script: It seems that many of you are at least half-assed familiarized with the gabber scene.. for any still interested; check out
www.mastersofhardcore.com
or
www.sector-1.com
Sector 1 has some great new trance as well.. so you can pretend you're going to check out some sick new trance vinyl. ;P

laters.

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oh why... i still listen to Hardcore sometimes (but not that sack of shit Happy Hardcore )

I prefer Terrorcore (or Speedcore as it's called in US) with beatrate of 300 and higher. I listen to it when im being angry and wanna blow up the whole fuckin world (and believe it or not, it works!)
AcidCore is also one of my favorite Hardcore genres - i freakin love it when TB303 goes mad with hardcore builds (like in Cixx vs. The vynil Junk - The Lecker; Unknown Structure - Helixcoid; Brain - Mystique; DDR & The Geezer - Mad Cows on Acid; Lenny Dee & DJ Edge - Silence of Eternity etc.) Outstanding shit!
What i don't like is Rotterdam Hardcore and ArtCore - very boring stuff (IMHO)

Generally, when i was into Hardcore my favor producers were (and still are actually) Omar Santana, Lenny Dee, Manu le Malin, Liza 'n' Liaz, DJ Paul (he was very good before he started making that ultra-commercial cheese under the name Dj Paul Elstak), Vinyl Junk, Delta 9, Wedlock, Ruffneck, DJ Dano, The prophet (of course!), Stunned Guys .
But frankly, i dont understand people who listen to Hardcore *only* - what's so bad in CLassic Techno or Trance??

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} Alright,granted: You crazy mofo's are all trance addicts..but I swear to High Heaven that one day...ONE DAY!..you will all love hardcore. Maybe not all of you...but if I can sway just one of youse guys, my life will be complete..that is until I can see Dj Promo. But we can't all have what we want most, can we? On the other hand: I emplore all of you to show me sick sick trance..cuz some of it's actually pretty damn slick. Give and take, children. I'ma try and find some relatively cheap host with a decent bandwidth and I will create a site. One for all hardcore...and an ftp for yo' crazy ass trance. But that won't happen until i can get my greedy little hands on a VISA and or Mastercard [so if you're feelin' generous..hehe] so yeah..that's my goal. the Black Sun Emperor Post Script: I won't force any of the crazy hard shit on y'all though..that might just blow your minds. and we can't have that.

Your posts never cease to crack me up whether you mean it or not!

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Originally posted by USSR Junkie oh why... i still listen to Hardcore sometimes (but not that sack of shit Happy Hardcore ) I prefer Terrorcore (or Speedcore as it's called in US) with beatrate of 300 and higher. I listen to it when im being angry and wanna blow up the whole fuckin world (and believe it or not, it works!) AcidCore is also one of my favorite Hardcore genres - i freakin love it when TB303 goes mad with hardcore builds (like in Cixx vs. The vynil Junk - The Lecker; Unknown Structure - Helixcoid; Brain - Mystique; DDR & The Geezer - Mad Cows on Acid; Lenny Dee & DJ Edge - Silence of Eternity etc.) Outstanding shit! What i don't like is Rotterdam Hardcore and ArtCore - very boring stuff (IMHO) Generally, when i was into Hardcore my favor producers were (and still are actually) Omar Santana, Lenny Dee, Manu le Malin, Liza 'n' Liaz, DJ Paul (he was very good before he started making that ultra-commercial cheese under the name Dj Paul Elstak), Vinyl Junk, Delta 9, Wedlock, Ruffneck, DJ Dano, The prophet (of course!), Stunned Guys . But frankly, i dont understand people who listen to Hardcore *only* - what's so bad in CLassic Techno or Trance??

Well, I never said my tastes were exclusive to hardcore. I really like jungle, that stuff is gold. And I'm rather partial to NU-NRG and techno.
[incidently, S4 is my 2nd favorite dj.]

Yeah, happy hardcore can kiss my ass. !:]

I like your taste of music though, if it's worth the words. :-)
I saw Lenndy Dee live in Toronto a few months back.. one of the most impressive sets I've ever seen..effortless. ;]
I'm more into New Style; Neophyte, Promo, Outblast, hard creation, catscan, Holy Crown Forces is awesome, Twistericals, Dj Dione..
The Prophet.. yeah man.
But anyhoo..
I'm always serious, Paul Wilson. >=P

Have you guys heard of AudioGalaxy?
www.audiogalaxy.com
You can find just about any damn song, very helpful. You can just be online, and someone from this forum could look up the track, and take it off your hard drive.. just a thought. ;-)

ok. well, i'm out for now.

{b.s.e.}

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Hardcore LOL !!!! Do ppl still listen to that stuff (er...I'd call it shit, but I believe in tolerance)....LOL I have no idea what the hell would possess someone to listen to 160 bpm...except maybe candy kids.

Dude...I hope u are joking because hardcore ain't comming back anytime soon. Even the epic trance that has been so popular for the last few years is making way for the progressive era. The future is progressive man....hardcore is dead !!!


RIP Hardcore !!!!!

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I listen to L.A. Hard House which is like hardcore...guys like Delta 9, George Centeno, Darren R....

I listened to that before I listened to trance and I still do.

Hard House and Hardcore ROCK!!!

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Originally posted by Kytracid Hardcore LOL !!!! Do ppl still listen to that stuff (er...I'd call it shit, but I believe in tolerance)....LOL I have no idea what the hell would possess someone to listen to 160 bpm...except maybe candy kids. Dude...I hope u are joking because hardcore ain't comming back anytime soon. Even the epic trance that has been so popular for the last few years is making way for the progressive era. The future is progressive man....hardcore is dead !!! RIP Hardcore !!!!!

Y'see, you can say that. But I know different. Everyone who's familiar with hardcore is familiar with the old skool style.. but this isn't that. This is newstyle i'm talking about. It has everything a partyer wants in a set:
sick hard bass
fast beat
wicked synth patterns
wicked samples.
Dj Orbeat recently moved to Toronto with his sights set on sculpting the hardcore scene in Canada. Coupled with local favourites like Dominik, Deacon Boombastardizer..the word is starting to spread.

As for candy kids..well..i eat fun-fur for breakfast.
And aside from personal taste, what makes anyone want to listen to 100 bpm? I dunno.

until next time.

-bse-

ps.
good joke, eh? ;-D

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