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Originally posted by StereoPrincess also, does FS play mostly .mp3s, when PVD is playing from his computer is he playing high quality .mp3s or is he playing all .wavs?

FS will play either. PVD uses AIFFs (which is the bitwise complement of a WAV I believe), the standard WAV-like format on Macs.

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With the distorition apparent to large soundsystems I do not think that there would be an audible difference between 320kbps MP3 or WAV file.

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You will hard pressed to find someone consistently able to hear the differences between a mp3 encoded at 192 kbps and wave or vinyl source.

At 320kbps... I doubt anyone in the world can.

In terms of signal quality...

vinyl > wave > mp3

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess will a regular person in a regular club on a regular club sound system notice the difference between a high quality .mp3 and a vinyl record in terms of the way it sounds?

no

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will a person tell the difference between a high quality .mp3 and a .wav?

no

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The thing with MP3, to my understanding of them, is that they do remove portions of the audio spectrum to obtain the compression that they do. But, it is very much like a cell phone, it removes the portions that 96% of the people out there just cannot hear. Usually the people who can hear the difference are trained musicians or audio engineers or just luck F@#Kers.

I did read a paper recently that projected that the long term, wide spread use of mp3 is going to alter the hearing range we have. Having said that, it was a research paper and my jury is still WAY out on that one. Personally, once in a while I can hear a slight difference but usually thats when I know one is an mp3 and one is vinyl and when I know the original recording of the track.

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Since all trance tunes ever made on/using a computer must have been digital at one point, a full-quality sound file (WAV/AIFF) straight from the sequencer/mastering suite/whatever should always sound better than the vinyl made from it, shouldn't it?

well, i personally can hear a difference between a vinyl and a 192 kbs mp3. but that is not what we are talking about here. even 256 kbs is hard to distiguish even by trained ears.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess well, i personally can hear a difference between a vinyl and a 192 kbs mp3. but that is not what we are talking about here. even 256 kbs is hard to distiguish even by trained ears.

I think that sometimes depends on the person. The people who can hear the portions cut out by the higher bit rate (320 etc) MP3 compression algorithm are portions that most people just don't have the physiology to hear. Not everyone has the same range of hearing. I agree with you, most people are not going to be able to tell the difference most of the time.

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If you're talking about a large club there is a "feel" element that you're dealing with too. This "feel" element comes from the low frequnecy bass that comes out of the massive woofers. This sound often exists in the realm of frequencies that are inaudible that mp3 encoding totally removes. so when you're at a club you don't feel the massive bass.

Can some people that ACTUALLY PLAY on big systems give their opinions.

freak, nemisis, etc?

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Originally posted by failsafe If you're talking about a large club there is a "feel" element that you're dealing with too. This "feel" element comes from the low frequnecy bass that comes out of the massive woofers. This sound often exists in the realm of frequencies that are inaudible that mp3 encoding totally removes. so when you're at a club you don't feel the massive bass.

i don't know dude. i think you are totally wrong on this. you can say stuff all you want. technically, yes, there is a difference but humans cannot tell this difference. remember, those big sound systems have boosters and shit that you can turn up if you need it. also a mixer has many ways to increase the bass to equilize that stuff.

256 and above is good enough, you would be hard pressed t otella difference. but at 192 you can, a lot of the beats are a less sharp and some effects can be only slightly muffled. i mean you probably couldnt tell so much in a club environment, but when ur mixing you woudl eb able to tell on the monitors/phones.

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