So they are agianst sex marriage , they against abortion, they voted for Bush becouse they hate gay people , ok now if they would fallow the bible then they wouldnt care about gay people getting married becouse :

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged" (Matthew 7:1)

I often hear this statement of Jesus quoted by non-Christians and professing believers when they are confronted with their sin and refuse to change. Whether people are well-read in the Bible or not, it is amazing how many of them can quote this verse! Ignoring the context of the verse as well as what the rest of the Bible teaches, they take this single verse and try say that it is wrong to judge. What is this verse really saying? Does the Bible really forbid judging others? Let's read the context of this verse:

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye" (Matthew 7:1-5)

Verse one of Matthew 7 seems to be telling

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I love it how you quote one text in Matthew and I doubt you even read the Bible or believe in Christianity. Now if you read other parts of the Bible, it says that Homosexuality is a sin and God hates sin and that murder is wrong (which is why Christians are against Abortion but when a fetus is declared living, is a legal question and has been hotly debated over the last 10 years). How are Christians hypocrites? because they don't solve their own problems before telling others about their own? I think most people of any religion are guilty of that, it is so easy to cast judgement on others. God says he will judge us on our actions and our own motives.

I find it comical that people in this world cannot take the fact that Christians believe in something that goes against the common mainstream view. The Bible does not say hate gays or treat them differently, it says that homosexuality is a sin, it says that we also have to treat others like we want to be treated. So we are not hating gays, we are just saying we don't approve of gay marriages or the gay lifestyle because we follow the Bible as our guide. The mainstream loves to say, if it feels good then do it and that normally gets you into trouble.

Now about non-Christians, why are you lumping them in with Christians? They obviously don't believe in what true Christians believe in, so I don't think they count in this argument. Your argument seems to center on the fact that Christians are hypocrites because they actually voted for a politician with a backbone. If you hate Bush, that's fine, if you like him, that's fine but remember America has a huge Christian % and they want a president that will protect their beliefs. If you believe Bush is Christian, that's another matter and another story.

I seem to get the sense that you are confused because you state in the title that Christians are hypocrites and you say that we hate gay people, which is wrong, if a Christian hates another, the Bible says he should go to that person and apologize (well the word used is confess). Then in the second paragraph, you talk about non-Christian and the passage in Matthew where Jesus Christ is preaching the sermon on the mound. So I seem to sense that you are hating Christians and non Christians, which one is it? and if you are hating Christians, should'nt you take that verse to heart?

hypocrisy is part of human nature, so basically we're ALL guilty of that.. does it still make you feel better if you continue to sit there and point fingers/accuse/beat the bible, etc, even if you're faced with that fact???

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Originally posted by torontotrance lmao I love it how you quote one text in Matthew and I doubt you even read the Bible or believe in Christianity. Now if you read other parts of the Bible, it says that Homosexuality is a sin and God hates sin and that murder is wrong (which is why Christians are against Abortion but when a fetus is declared living, is a legal question and has been hotly debated over the last 10 years). How are Christians hypocrites? because they don't solve their own problems before telling others about their own? I think most people of any religion are guilty of that, it is so easy to cast judgement on others. God says he will judge us on our actions and our own motives. I find it comical that people in this world cannot take the fact that Christians believe in something that goes against the common mainstream view. The Bible does not say hate gays or treat them differently, it says that homosexuality is a sin, it says that we also have to treat others like we want to be treated. So we are not hating gays, we are just saying we don't approve of gay marriages or the gay lifestyle because we follow the Bible as our guide. The mainstream loves to say, if it feels good then do it and that normally gets you into trouble. Now about non-Christians, why are you lumping them in with Christians? They obviously don't believe in what true Christians believe in, so I don't think they count in this argument. Your argument seems to center on the fact that Christians are hypocrites because they actually voted for a politician with a backbone. If you hate Bush, that's fine, if you like him, that's fine but remember America has a huge Christian % and they want a president that will protect their beliefs. If you believe Bush is Christian, that's another matter and another story. I seem to get the sense that you are confused because you state in the title that Christians are hypocrites and you say that we hate gay people, which is wrong, if a Christian hates another, the Bible says he should go to that person and apologize (well the word used is confess). Then in the second paragraph, you talk about non-Christian and the passage in Matthew where Jesus Christ is preaching the sermon on the mound. So I seem to sense that you are hating Christians and non Christians, which one is it? and if you are hating Christians, should'nt you take that verse to heart?

I know homosexuality is a sin and gay marriage is a sin and abortion is a sin, but god gave everybody the choice to decide what they wanna do, peoples know what is wrong and what is right. My point is, god told people not to judge other becouse he will judge those people who comit those sins. There is only one person who can judge us and its god.

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Originally posted by hardstyle I know homosexuality is a sin and gay marriage is a sin and abortion is a sin, but god gave everybody the choice to decide what they wanna do, peoples know what is wrong and what is right. My point is, god told people not to judge other becouse he will judge those people who comit those sins. There is only one person who can judge us and its god.

You forget one of the primary tenets of Christian fundamentalism - proselytization. They feel it is absolutely essential to convert and "save" as many souls as possible from the pits of eternal damnation. You think that this somehow excludes their principle wedge belief that homosexual behavior is deviant and a sin?

Try again.

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An interesting tidbit picked up by Josh Marshall (talkingpointsmemo.com) back in January when the gay marriage issue started hitting Congress:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/ar...2_22.php#002604

The last part of his piece was really interesting:

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It all reminds me of a line from a famous, or rather infamous, memo Pat Buchanan, then a White House staffer, wrote for Richard Nixon in, I believe, 1972 when their idea of the moment was what they called 'positive polarization'. At the end of this confidential strategy memo laying out various ideas about how to create social unrest over racial issues and confrontations with the judiciary, Buchanan wrote (and you can find this passage on p. 185 of Jonathan Schell's wonderful Time of Illusion): "In conclusion, this is a potential throw of the dice that could bring the media on our heads, and cut the Democratic Party and country in half; my view is that we would have far the larger half." And there you have it. Tear the country apart. And once it's broken, our chunk will be bigger. Only this time I'm not sure it will. I'm just not sure swing voters will fall for the president's opportunism.

He shouldn't have doubted his own prophecy. How wrong his final notion was, huh?

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Originally posted by hardstyle There is only one person who can judge us and its god.

Says you ... the Easter Bunny is judging me when I die.

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Im a christian and I go to church every sunday and such. Im against abortion, Im against gay marriage and so on, but Im I the one to judge others for that?!?!.. Is the government the one to get involved and judge?!?!... or is GOD the one to judge?!?!. One will be punished for their own actions, and what better judge the GOD himself, he will know the exact reasons of the why, while the GOVERNMENT of the US does not. They will just plan a law, and prejudice Gay's, and Woman over this issue. IT will not make it better, but make it worst.

It is true that the practice of been Homosexual is a Sin, but it is also true that many of this people are borned with this, and WE are no body to judge them, nor their actions. God will surely know what to do on this matter, not the US judge.

Other thing to mention. How can christians support a president that went into war?!?!?!.. The basis of religion is to keep the peace in the best structural manner.. the Bible brings predictions, but we are no body to MAKE those predictions come true, they will come by themselves. Many Christians ( Id say the very close minded ) tend to believe that all this invasion into the middle east is a way to bring Christianity into the middle east.. more like, a pathway into it. I do not believe in this at all. Overall, I think that christians themselves are been divided over this issue.

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