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Originally posted by Rodas I mean seriously. It isn't that I hate you righties.. I just think the Bush administration is trying to force their agenda, and like, only their agenda, down our throats. And the other 50% of the divided country doesn't matter for shit. I think that is where Kerry would have been different.. The way I feel? I don’t think this is the only thing wrong with our party, but a major damn thing wrong is that we don't have our own damn media star’s… Someone who’s forcing out point of view across… Look at Fox news... Conservitives have O’Reilly, Hanity, and the other 90% pushing their Right Wing agenda’s across so hard and aggressive, and you know what? People actually believe them. Who’s helping our cause? Whenever I see Democrat’s on the dial their never quite “there”.. It's like they're afraid to open their damn mouths. I’m sure we can pull off the rating's, if not even get better ones, if we get the right person on the tv. I mean, sure us lefty’s have progressive talk radio and some other AM stations but seriously, unless someone gets the left wing some balance of the media on the dials, we’re not getting shit. Four year’s, get Hilary Clinton, get Edwards again, I don’t care. We’re not going to win unless something changes. Four years from now, if there isn’t a change in our party I doubt we’re ever going to get that extra push that is going to give us the kind of clout we need to win an election. Think about it, If Kerry would have won the 100+ thousand votes (or whatever amount there were) in Ohio that Bush did, he would’ve won. Case closed. Simple as that. 100+ votes’ isn’t that much of a push. We’re almost their. What the hell are democrats doing to make a change? Kerry had the biggest turnout of voter’s of any challenger ever. So I think that says something. I'm just venting some fustration. Rodas

Schwarzenegger Calls Democrats 'Losers' Once 'Girlie Men,' Dems May Also Be 'Losers' In Governor's Mind

POSTED: 2:05 pm PST November 4, 2004 UPDATED: 2:26 pm PST November 4, 2004

LOS ANGELES -- Two days after the worst election defeat in decades for Democrats, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger referred to them as "losers" in response to a reporter's question about tax increases.

But even before he concluded his remarks, the Republican governor attempted to recast himself saying any tax increase is a losing idea. The governor's spokeswoman Margita Thompson also offered the same clarification only a few minutes after a Schwarzenegger's press conference ended.

But Schwarzenegger, who degraded Democrats during the budget fight last summer as "girlie men," seemed to understand a question about whether he would consider proposals to raise taxes from Democrats.

"Why would I listen to losers?" the governor asked. "Let's be honest."

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Originally posted by Rodas I mean seriously. It isn't that I hate you righties.. I just think the Bush administration is trying to force their agenda, and like, only their agenda, down our throats. And the other 50% of the divided country doesn't matter for shit. I think that is where Kerry would have been different.. The way I feel? I don’t think this is the only thing wrong with our party, but a major damn thing wrong is that we don't have our own damn media star’s… Someone who’s forcing out point of view across… Look at Fox news... Conservitives have O’Reilly, Hanity, and the other 90% pushing their Right Wing agenda’s across so hard and aggressive, and you know what? People actually believe them. Who’s helping our cause? Whenever I see Democrat’s on the dial their never quite “there”.. It's like they're afraid to open their damn mouths. I’m sure we can pull off the rating's, if not even get better ones, if we get the right person on the tv. I mean, sure us lefty’s have progressive talk radio and some other AM stations but seriously, unless someone gets the left wing some balance of the media on the dials, we’re not getting shit. Four year’s, get Hilary Clinton, get Edwards again, I don’t care. We’re not going to win unless something changes. Four years from now, if there isn’t a change in our party I doubt we’re ever going to get that extra push that is going to give us the kind of clout we need to win an election. Think about it, If Kerry would have won the 100+ thousand votes (or whatever amount there were) in Ohio that Bush did, he would’ve won. Case closed. Simple as that. 100+ votes’ isn’t that much of a push. We’re almost their. What the hell are democrats doing to make a change? Kerry had the biggest turnout of voter’s of any challenger ever. So I think that says something. I'm just venting some fustration. Rodas

no kidding. the only interesting sources lefties have are internet blogs and Air America Radio. i wish i could turn on the TV and see a guy as energetic as Oreilly hammering my point of view across, instead of fuckin Colmes

Due to media consolidation, thanks especially to Michael Powell and the FCC, it's not likely media is going to hange that much. But the point about having someone like O'Reilly is dead on. James Carville shoud have been in charge of the Kerry Campaign and he would have beat tricks like the Swiftboat vets at their own game. More people like LBJ are needed too, who were able to gain favors from people and twist arms to get things done, even if they did not agree with him.

What has to happen right now is all the mobilization in place from the past election has to be ready for 2006. It'll be the time when a President traditionally loses some seats (mid-term election during 2nd term) and turn out from the GOP will not be as strong as in a Presidential election year. A more centrist message is needed to show that Democrats have morals too and then once that is expressed, we can differentiate ourselves to red state citizens by going into the issues that we believe in that affect their daily lives, like healthcare and education and deficits.

Certainly in 2008 we do not need Hillary Clinton or else it'll be the same election map as Tuesday was, we need someone like Senator Bayh from Indiana, a moderate from a red state who can draw in some different states. Policy wont move as fast through such an administration,but it'll be better than going backward like we are now and can start rebuilding a broad base. If the GOP wanted to motivate voters by pushing morals,we have to take that away from them.

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Well if you Democrats hadn't put Jane Fonda hugging Kerry out there as fodder, you mighta done better. Do a background check the next time around and take that gay rights plank off of your stage. The majority of Nam vets and church women are grinning from ear to ear right about now. Look for a Southern democrat as well if you ever hope to stand a chance in Dixie or with the rural vote.


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it's a little something called "core values". liberals, by nature, don't have them. at least not in way one would define outlining a specific ideology that encompassed the entire group.

if you could, then you would need a leader. thats the second problem. who? who will lead you? who would you give legitamacy to?
no one really.

why? you figure it out. i bet it takes you decades and then the youth of tomorrow will rebel against you too. it's a vicious cycle...that only happens in this way in America.

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Originally posted by Q5echo it's a little something called "core values". liberals, by nature, don't have them. at least not in way one would define outlining a specific ideology that encompassed the entire group. if you could, then you would need a leader. thats the second problem. who? who will lead you? who would you give legitamacy to? no one really. why? you figure it out. i bet it takes you decades and then the youth of tomorrow will rebel against you too. it's a vicious cycle...that only happens in this way in America.

you're a very well outspoken man

your posts are intelligent, and all i can do is quote and say "i agree"

i agree.



>JM<

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Originally posted by wolverine16 Certainly in 2008 we do not need Hillary Clinton or else it'll be the same election map as Tuesday was

Funny you should mention that as I heard it as well on a media clip yesterday. Now that's a candidate who would surely ensure a Republican stays in office.


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Your post title answers your question. America doesn't want lefties. Moderate democrats, fine. Sen. Bayh of Indiana is a moderate Democrat who won big in a Bush state. Hillary in 2008 is a fading proposition.

The problem is that the liberal wing of the Democrat party is the wing that's in control. They hold the senior positions. So, before the Democrats ever attempt to return to power, they will have to fight an internal war over the direction of their party.

As to why the left does not have an O'Reilly or a Rush, the posts above are correct. Republicans and outspoken independents take stands on the tough issues of the day, while liberals will nuance their way around a position until you can't understand what the hell they're trying to say.

There was a study done by Quinnipiac college, I think after the 2002 election, and they did man-on-the-street interviews around the country. When they asked average people what they thought the Democrat party's strongest position was, "abortion" was the answer that got the most votes by far. If that's what your party's identifying characteristic is, you've got a heap of problems.

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Originally posted by smokeape Funny you should mention that as I heard it as well on a media clip yesterday. Now that's a candidate who would surely ensure a Republican stays in office. [[[smoke]]]

she's already got a bad rap. her husband, former president cheated on her, and lied about it. he got impeached.

if she can't satisfy her husband, how does she expect to cater to the good of the country? problems in the bedroom would equate to problems in the office. = no go.

oh, don't even have to mention her leftist liberal stance. that alone kills the deal.

>JM<

"Attack of the conservatives" is what's going on in the last few posts here.

speed, you post is totally off topic. Yet, quotes from Arnold using line’s from thirty year’s ago aren’t going to help your claim (whichever one you were trying to bring across).

"Liberals aren't as outspoken as conservatives” claim.. I would have to say I disagree (at least not the one’s I know). Air America seems to be taking over AM Radio as of now..

There isn’t a venue for us on T.V. as of yet.

I still think that the time will come.

Rodas

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