Okay , Now i know im gonna get some crap but i just wanted to gauge Tiesto to Armin Van Buuren.

In the last thread (LAST CHANCE: Armin/Markus Oct 9th - Who's For Sure In? LAST CHANCE)i thought that Tiesto's Peformance at Vision last month was much better than Armin Van Buuren's. The others in that thread mainly disagreed with me.Ive been loosely listening to trance for the past 6 years but have been obsessed the last year almost.My first cd ever was Trance Global Nation Volume 1 which i thought was awesome.

Just wanted to know what you guys all thought of Tiesto.(Master Dj or Super Sellout). Whatever your decision , Back it up with something. I think Tiesto has a much more diverse seletion as apposed to what ive heard from Van Burren.

Dont get me wrong , i went to Vision really looking forward to seeing him but i dont think he played much trance at all.My fav Djs besides tiesto right now are Johan Gielen and Ferry Corsten(Ferry's livesets are insane ).

Last edited by XtremeNINja27 on Oct-13-2004 at 06:01

It was quite simple.

Tiesto was not even attempting to mix. He had a vinyl on the right hand deck for the first 45 minutes of his set that he never took off, all he did was move the needle to the outside of the platter once every ten minutes or so. He would get the BPM matched on the tracks and then just push one track into the other, nto even attempting to match the beats up so there was galloping horses everywhere. I had the feeling that he was using the BPM counter on the mixer to get the right count and then just pushing to the next track. He played some songs I really liked, but I had to leave early because I could not stand the constant off-beat mixing.

I went in not expecting him to be some super stellar mixing god, but when the opener does a better job than the headliner in keeping the beat going steady, there is a major problem.

I have a friend who saw Tiesto in Ibiza in July and said it was amazing, so maybe he actually cared abotu doing his job there instead of just collecting a huge paycheck from a bunch of stupid americans, I don't know.

But I will never pay to see Tiesto again. I was not impressed at all, and I don't make enough money to waste it on a DJ whose set I left early because it made me ill. I have left early at other shows because I was tired, but never because it was a bad mix, only Tiesto gets that distinction.

I am not the world's biggest AVB fan, I like his stuff, and I have a good time during his sets, but I would pay to see Ferry or especially James Holden anyday over Tiesto or AVB.

Just my opinion.....

MrS

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Originally posted by MrSquirrel Tiesto was not even attempting to mix. He had a vinyl on the right hand deck for the first 45 minutes of his set that he never took off, all he did was move the needle to the outside of the platter once every ten minutes or so. He would get the BPM matched on the tracks and then just push one track into the other, nto even attempting to match the beats up so there was galloping horses everywhere. I had the feeling that he was using the BPM counter on the mixer to get the right count and then just pushing to the next track. He played some songs I really liked, but I had to leave early because I could not stand the constant off-beat mixing. I am not the world's biggest AVB fan, I like his stuff, and I have a good time during his sets, but I would pay to see Ferry or especially James Holden anyday over Tiesto or AVB. Just my opinion..... MrS

I see, Maybe my ear just isnt trained enough yet ( only been to 2 clubs so far ) to hear the problems you heard or perhaps i was just too drunk. Never heard of James Holden , Ill have to give him a listen for sure. Have you seen Ferry in concert before?

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Originally posted by XtremeNINja27 I see, Maybe my ear just isnt trained enough yet ( only been to 2 clubs so far ) to hear the problems you heard or perhaps i was just too drunk. Never heard of James Holden , Ill have to give him a listen for sure. Have you seen Ferry in concert before?

I have seen Ferry the last 2 times he has been at Vision, and thoroughly enjoyed myself.

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i have never seen Tiesto spin, so i can't really give a full opinion. based on what others have said about Tiestos performanace, and livesets of his that i have heard, i have never really cared to spend the $$$ to see him spin. i still love his older CDs (Magik 6, i'll never get sick of that one), and production-wise i think he is good. but when you just stand there and slam one song into the next, that is definitely not mixing.

Armin has been playing harder and harder each time he comes to Chicago, and the Chicago crowd just eats it up and begs for more. his set last weekend was very unlike his ASOT episodes. i thoroughly enjoy his track selection (except for that damn Puffy track, uggggh)... anyway, what makes him a good DJ? he interacts with the crowd, he is a super-friendly guy, he knows how to bring the energy levels up and down, and it's just obvious he's having a great time behind the decks. watching the DJ have as much fun as all his fans in the crowd can really add a positive vibe to the entire night, imo. oh, and he can beatmatch too. pretty amazing for a DJ! heh.

i always said Armin was my #1 trance DJ, but i think Ferry has taken over that position. his last 2 sets at Vision were just fuckin super awesome.

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Originally posted by lücid except for that damn Puffy track, uggggh

his name is P. Diddy now...its a completely different personality.


i saw tiesto when he was at the HOB but missed his last set here. it was only like my second or third real show that i had been to since i wasnt 21, so it was hard for me to critique him. the energy level was pretty high in there and he seemed to do a good job mixing. but after seeing armin the past two times hes been in chicago, i would prefer to see armin. i guess its just hard for me to compare since i was still somewhat of a n00b when i saw tiesto.

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Originally posted by jonze234 his name is P. Diddy now...its a completely different personality.

lol, different name... same suckage.

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Tiesto and Armin are two trains on the same track going to the same place.


1. Playing new music rather than what's the most popular/played by everyone
2. began creating his own tracks
3. become hugely popular
4. DJ sets become more repetitive (listen to one mix every six months and hear majority of the same tracks including most of his own work)
5. fans who created his base of fans become bored with hearing same music and leave for newer DJ.
6. DJ reinvents himself, but doesnt recapture what was
7. Persues new musical endevors like movie soundtracks and the like
8. slow fades away


Armin is about 2 years behind Tiesto, whom are both another two years behind PVD, whom are both 1 year behind Digweed, whom are 2 years behind Oakenfold whom is at #8 right now.

Last edited by mb2004 on Oct-13-2004 at 20:56

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Originally posted by lücid i always said Armin was my #1 trance DJ, but i think Ferry has taken over that position. his last 2 sets at Vision were just fuckin super awesome.

I also am eager to see Ferry , Does anyone know if he is scheduled to come to Chitown soon? Any Date?

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Originally posted by mb2004 Tiesto and Armin are two trains on the same track going to the same place. 1. Playing new music rather than what's the most popular/played by everyone 2. began creating his own tracks 3. become hugely popular 4. DJ sets become more repetitive (listen to one mix every six months and hear majority of the same tracks including most of his own work) 5. fans who created his base of fans become bored with hearing same music and leave for newer DJ. 6. DJ reinvents himself, but doesnt recapture what was 7. Persues new musical endevors like movie soundtracks and the like 8. slow fades away Armin is about 2 years behind Tiesto, whom are both another two years behind PVD, whom are both 1 year behind Digweed, whom are 2 years behind Oakenfold whom is at #8 right now.

Well Said, Youve really thought this out havent you?
Just curious who you think is the best DJ today? Who's in front of AVB in your opinion?

i've only seen tiesto twice - once in dc at nation and then this past summer here at vision. i think that his past set at vision really blew - no mixing and basically just played hit after hit. no peaks, valleys or construction to the set at all. just not what i like in a dj.

armin has always impressed me with his track selection and his ability to constuct a set with a beginning, middle and end. his interaction with the crowd is the best i've seen and you can tell that he's extremely passionate about his job - i don't see that kind of passion with tiesto. i think that armin plays a little bit of everything in his sets - trance, prog, techno etc. i like the variety - i easily get bored with hearing just all trance. so - armin is my #1 trance dj - plus, he's as cute as shit!