Ummm so I guess you can’t say Islam is a “vicious, wicked faith” in the UK without getting arrested.

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BNP leader arrested over inciting race hatred 11:41am 14th December 2004 Arrested: Nick Griffin British National Party leader Nick Griffin has been arrested on suspicion of incitement to commit racial hatred after an undercover TV documentary on racism in the organisation. Earlier today, the founding chairman of the BNP was arrested. John Tyndall, 70, of Brighton, was arrested on suspicion of incitement to commit racial hatred following a speech he made in Burnley, Lancashire, in March, a BNP spokesperson said. Parts of the speech were covertly filmed and shown in the BBC programme, Secret Agent. The programme featured covertly-filmed footage showing BNP activists confessing to race-hate crimes and party leader Nick Griffin condemning Islam as a "vicious, wicked faith". Tyndall, who founded the National Front in 1982, was released on police bail pending further inquiries yesterday. A BNP spokesperson said: "The BNP condemns this arrest because the party is committed to freedom of speech, though that doesn't mean that the party necessarily approves of the words for which Mr Tyndall has been arrested."

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Originally posted by occrider Ummm so I guess you can’t say Islam is a “vicious, wicked faith” in the UK without getting arrested.

Your talking out of your arse mate

Nick Griffin is a fucking c.u.n.t an I'm glad he's in jail

He was arrested for RACIAL hatred, not, as you falsly try to imply, for religious hatred...

Absolutly delighted...the guy represents evil..and hatred..and is a total tosser..i believe they hired a black dj for their christmas party just a couple of weeks back by mistake of course...and i quote from The Sunday Times "he sounded white on the phone" a Mr bob garner was quoted as members of the far right british national party walked out of their own christmas party at a top london hotel..ok that bit is humourous but they are a cancer among british society..im happy..should be interesting

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Originally posted by occrider Ummm so I guess you can’t say Islam is a “vicious, wicked faith” in the UK without getting arrested.

So tell me Occrider, are you opposed to anti-Racism laws or summat?

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Originally posted by George Smiley Your talking out of your arse mate Nick Griffin is a fucking c.u.n.t an I'm glad he's in jail

I see ... so just because you disagree with the man's political/personal views that justifies his imprisonment?

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He was arrested for RACIAL hatred, not, as you falsly try to imply, for religious hatred...

The statement for which he was arrested for is this:

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"That's the way that this wicked, vicious faith has expanded -- through a handful of cranky lunatics about 1,300 years ago until it's now sweeping country after country," http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/e...reut/index.html

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it doesn't look racial to me. And even if it was racial that doesn't quite condone the arrest.

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So tell me Occrider, are you opposed to anti-Racism laws or summat?

Why yes, as a matter of fact I am. I thought I made my views clear when the UK first passed the anti-racism law? Legislating racism or hatred makes about as much sense as legislating morality. It infringes on personal rights and the freedom of speech.

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I know what your saying, and it's a hard thing to balance (free speach/inciting hate). But these guys have so far got plenty of freedom of speach, and their entire policy is based on hate. The wank will get off probebly. But anything which hurts the BNP is good in my view.

Edit: It works against for example extreme Islamic preachers saying blowing up your shoes on a plane might actually be good idea. Otherwise you'd have no law to stop people trying to get young people to do silly things. Like going to afganistan to learn how to blow stuff/people up.

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Originally posted by Dervish I know what your saying, and it's a hard thing to balance (free speach/inciting hate). But these guys have so far got plenty of freedom of speach, and their entire policy is based on hate. The wank will get off probebly. But anything which hurts the BNP is good in my view. Edit: It works against for example extreme Islamic preachers saying blowing up your shoes on a plane might actually be good idea. Otherwise you'd have no law to stop people trying to get young people to do silly things. Like going to afganistan to learn how to blow stuff/people up.

The ends justify the means? Kind of like how conservatives argue that it doesn’t matter that Bush misrepresented Iraq, we’re better off without Saddam?

There's already laws preventing people from committing illegal acts … it’s called jail. Until you actually commit a crime, you shouldn’t be imprisoned for merely speaking about it. Or should the government arrest you for criticizing and inciting “hate” towards the government under the impression that your speech will be subsequently followed up with subversive acts?

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Originally posted by occrider I see ... so just because you disagree with the man's political/personal views that justifies his imprisonment? The statement for which he was arrested for is this: Correct me if I'm wrong, but it doesn't look racial to me. And even if it was racial that doesn't quite condone the arrest. Why yes, as a matter of fact I am. I thought I made my views clear when the UK first passed the anti-racism law? Legislating racism or hatred makes about as much sense as legislating morality. It infringes on personal rights and the freedom of speech.

So what you are saying is that you see no problems with excluding somebody from working somewhere because they have a certain skin colour?

There is a big difference between race and religion - religion is a choice, race isn't so shouldn't be criticised

As for Nick griffin, there isn't much that would not justify having his bollox rubbed against a cheese grater

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Originally posted by Dervish I know what your saying, and it's a hard thing to balance (free speach/inciting hate). But these guys have so far got plenty of freedom of speach, and their entire policy is based on hate. The wank will get off probebly. But anything which hurts the BNP is good in my view. Edit: It works against for example extreme Islamic preachers saying blowing up your shoes on a plane might actually be good idea. Otherwise you'd have no law to stop people trying to get young people to do silly things. Like going to afganistan to learn how to blow stuff/people up.

And that Abu Hamza is another c.u.n.t who'd get my cheese grater too!

I don't think Occrider knows enuf about the BNP or he wouldn't be defending what they do...

i used to think that to criminalizing hate speech is a good idea, however, i have changed my mind and i think its stupid, everyone should be able to say what they want to, even tho its racist (and imo very wrong).

I think this BPN leader should have expressed his feeling in art to avoid possible criminal charges.

Next time make a statue reperseting "the way that this wicked, vicious faith has expanded -- through a handful of cranky lunatics about 1,300 years ago until it's now sweeping country after country"

duh

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Originally posted by George Smiley So what you are saying is that you see no problems with excluding somebody from working somewhere because they have a certain skin colour? There is a big difference between race and religion - religion is a choice, race isn't so shouldn't be criticised As for Nick griffin, there isn't much that would not justify having his bollox rubbed against a cheese grater

Of course excluding someone from working somewhere is a problem. That would be a violation of the equal employment opportunity act here in the US. But that's not the same as simple speech.

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I don't think Occrider knows enuf about the BNP or he wouldn't be defending what they do...

Well you're right, I don't know a thing about BNP. I do know of the KKK though and I support their right to exist and propogate their BS. So long as they don't violate my, or anyone else's rights they can say whatever they want in my opinion. I'll simply choose to not listen. Is the BNP any worse than the KKK? By the way, I'm not defending what they do, I'm defending their right to say what they're saying.

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