so wats gonna happen?

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not sure but I'll be sure to update you all.

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interesting.. do you guys think china will get freer anytime soon_

I dunno if the english translation of these 9 articles are out there, but meh... i'll just translate the titles of these nine commentaries for ya guys, and hopefully if my eyes can still not burn after reading articles of simplified chinese, i'll summarize each article... Hopefully

1- Why "Review/Critisize" the Chinese Community Party
2- How did the criticial analysis of the CCP begin
3- Critisize/Review the Tyrannical Rule of the CCP
4- Reviewing the CCP as an force of anti-Universal //Dunno how to translate it in simple english
5- Jiang Ze-Min and CCP's collaboration in persecuting people of the Falun Gong
6- Critisizing how the CCP have destroyed the Chinese national culture
7- Critisizing the CCP's execution (of human beings) history
8- Critisizing the intrinsic evil nature of the CCP
9- Reviewing the CCP's hooligan/gangster tendencies

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Originally posted by St_Andrew interesting.. do you guys think china will get freer anytime soon_

China will probobly slowly become more and more free as they stablise themselves as a modern nation, and their economy levels out.

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So instead of shooting political prisoners they will just beat them up?

I have managed to browse around and find these following articles which are translations of parts of the nine commentaries themselve

Nine Commentaries 1 of 9

http://english.epochtimes.com/news/4-12-2/24672.html

Nine Commentaries 2 of 9

http://english.epochtimes.com/news/4-12-13/24830.html

Nine Commentaries 3 of 9

http://english.epochtimes.com/news/4-12-13/24939.html

Nine Commentaries 4 of 9

http://english.epochtimes.com/news/4-12-14/24953.html

Nine Commentaries 5 of 9

http://english.epochtimes.com/news/4-12-16/24972.html

I suppose the same website will release following articles after 5 at a later date.

Back on the topic, personally i don't think there articles would be 'that' influential whatsoever, it's probably going to create a couple of more knowledgable people in the countries (perhaps), and overseas citizens/students that have accessed the information would react with animosity at the articles or the government.

People have suggested that the gradual introduction of the 'free market' into the state would force China to become much more liberal and democracized; as an skeptic and pessimist i do not think that a free market would allow "freedom of speech" or a "free press" within the country. We've seen several incidents that people have been arrested for been whistleblower, or for accessing forbidden websites that will "corrupt the mind".

As for the 9 Commentaries, yes... i've read them all, took quite a long time though, and it did hurt my damn eyes because i have read articles in Chinese for i dunno .. 7 years. Nonetheless, the summary of the articles is just another vicious attack directed towards the CCP, and when i said vicious, i really meant it. The nature of the article demonized the Party and its legacy via a sharply contrasting the actions/beliefs of Maoism and the old Philosophical teachings of Confucianism/Taoism and also the ethics of the predominant Han in China.

However, personally i do not fully support this article's authenticity due the fact that, the western media haven't been aware or know completely of what's happening in that country in the latter half of the 20th century, the reports of brutality and tyranny could have been made-up or exaggerated.

Nonetheless, the stories and cases mentioned within 9 commentaries about the torture and murder of civilians is just sick

Last edited by kaffeemeister on Dec-16-2004 at 21:04

FYI, the English translation of the Nine Commentaries on the Communist Party is available:

http://www.theepochtimes.com/jiuping.asp

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JUst hope the free world will back up next round of protestors in Tianamen Square 2. Yes, there will be another revolt from within the country and hopefully this year.


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Check out "Governing China" but Kenneth Leiberthal, one of my old professors. It is an amazing look at the evolution of Chinese politics since the Communist revolution and since.

He was Clinton's Asian Security Adviser at a point and has some amazing stories both firsthand and researched. Oh and this book just got a new edition in the past few years - we got to read the unfinished new version|

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Originally posted by kaffeemeister I dunno if the english translation of these 9 articles are out there, but meh... i'll just translate the titles of these nine commentaries for ya guys, and hopefully if my eyes can still not burn after reading articles of simplified chinese, i'll summarize each article... Hopefully

my eyes are already bleeding from trying to read this junk known as "simplified" chinese... i just wish someone in hong kong or taiwan would publish something in the traditional characters...