IS anyone convinced yet that the Paul Martin government isnt any better than Chretien was?

Will we finally see some change when the next election is called?

I hope so

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

Well....Klein seems to know what he's doing at least...
(For those that don't know, Ralph Klein is the Premier of the Province of Alberta that has an $8 Billion dollar surplus in his coffers)

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Well....Klein seems to know what he's doing at least...

i wish we could elect him as PM.

Seriously. Here is a guy with vision and the balls to act.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

I should have frickin' moved to Calgary when I was going to...

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The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r (For those that don't know, Ralph Klein is the Premier of the Province of Alberta that has an $8 Billion dollar surplus in his coffers)

isnt that because of all the oil tho? how much has he done for that?

How did he manage an 8 billion surplus?...it seems amazing in any western currency..just cutbacks or more efficiencies...or oil as St_Andrew mentioned......?

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Originally posted by St_Andrew isnt that because of all the oil tho? how much has he done for that?

Oil or not it doesnt matter since Ontario has a huge manufacturing and finance sector with even higher paying jobs. Ontario has an even stronger revenue base but the socialists seem to piss it all away on stupid pet projects and waste.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Oil or not it doesnt matter since Ontario has a huge manufacturing and finance sector with even higher paying jobs. Ontario has an even stronger revenue base but the socialists seem to piss it all away on stupid pet projects and waste.

well i would agree that ontario doesnt have the best government of the world... but 8 billion dollar surplus out of nothing more than what ontario has, well then that guy is a fucking genius or he is just a dumbass who has way to much incomes and too few expensives?

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Originally posted by zig How did he manage an 8 billion surplus?...it seems amazing in any western currency..just cutbacks or more efficiencies...or oil as St_Andrew mentioned......?

mmmm ?

I still remember when Klein came to my school in grade 9, and we had some ceramony type thing in the gym. He spent the whole time staring at the presenter girl's rack (which was quite huge). Then there was the time he went to a homeless shelter and got in a fight with a few homeless people.

I'm pretty sure you'd have to have a pretty bad premier to not make money in Alberta. Not saying he's doing a bad job or anything, but he doesn't deserve too much credit for our surplus.

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Originally posted by St_Andrew well i would agree that ontario doesnt have the best government of the world... but 8 billion dollar surplus out of nothing more than what ontario has, well then that guy is a fucking genius or he is just a dumbass who has way to much incomes and too few expensives?

It means that they have brought the spending under control and now they have money to spend on social services. Klein has announced billions in new health care spending for one. And hes about to reform the way health care is given in Alberta. Because the way it works in Canada now DOESNT WORK.

Ontario's government is beyond crappy. Here is a bunch of cronies with no vision other than stupid rules to force people to wear bike helmets and raise health taxes while cutting health services. At least when the Ontario tories had to make cuts they were superficial and at least when they cut they also cut taxes, not raised them.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

are you kidding me?? Alberta sole success is riding on high oil prices and the agreement they got with Ottawa to keep 100% of Oil revenus!

You need to be really stupid not to accumulate surpluses with the current oil prices... of course he's not stupid, but he hasn't done anything special, he's just riding the wave... and that success will be temporary to either oil prices crashing (not happening) or depletion of the resources (will happen).

Just look at Norway, another small country (almost the same population as Alberta) is riding the high oil prices wave, its 2005 budget has a 15 billion Euro surplus. But instead of lowering the taxes like Mr. Klein, the govt is puting that money into retirement funds to bonify the people's pension plans!

P.S.: excluding oil revenus for Norway, brings the budget to a 8.1 billion Euros defecit.