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cl8on
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About transition...

After almost 2 years of mixing, there is still this problem of mine that i dunno how to solve.

When i get the beat matching down and while i am mixing in, sometimes, at some point , for some reason the bass , or the kick would sound funny, as if it got weaker all of the sudden and it goes back to normal... but i am pretty sure both tracks are still in sync, tho.

Could it be anything to do with EQing or am I just still a nub on the beatmatching? I do havta admit my beatmatch isnt all that good, but at least it holds and i usually just touch my platter once or twice during the transition.

It makes a set sounds shitty when this happen, not like i am off beat but it just sounds funny.

thanks a lot ppl.

Old Post Jan-31-2005 05:56  Canada
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Well, If I understand what you are describing, it could be that your beatmatching is dead on.

With some records, if you mix them, with dead on kicks, they will "phase" and the result will be a weaker sound (to my ears at least) Some records react in the same way, but have more of a flangy sound (although a flangier sound means that the kicks are a tad bit off)

So I guess you could say that yes, your eqing is the problem, because it usually solves this...

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your probably talking about the whoosing sound they make when they are on top of each other...you eliminate that by giving a nudge to one of the tunes (not the live one). Now if your beat matching is good, then it will stay that way if not they will go back to whooshing or the gallop.

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Both these guys are right. It has to do with similar frequencies being very slightly out of phase, which cancels out some of the sound. A little nudge to better align the beats will solve this problem.


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With some records, if you mix them, with dead on kicks, they will "phase" and the result will be a weaker sound


He's right. The waves of the two kicks are cancelling eachother out. Try changing the way you mix the two tracks- you might have to do a quick transition from one kick to the other.

Just try it. When you hear it happen next time just turn the low down all the way of the track you're bringing in. It should go away.


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i was wondering about this also

thanks beats n beeps and Energy!


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Could it be anything to do with EQing or am I just still a nub on the beatmatching? I do havta admit my beatmatch isnt all that good, but at least it holds and i usually just touch my platter once or twice during the transition.


Learn how to ride the pitch fader to make corrections instead of touching the platter and it won't sound pants.


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Freak
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constructive and destructive interference

Basically waveforms cancelling each other out.

work the eqs so you dont have 2 full kicks sounding. When one is on full, have the other at 50 or 25% for example, and vice versa

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constructive and destructive interference

Basically waveforms cancelling each other out.

work the eqs so you dont have 2 full kicks sounding. When one is on full, have the other at 50 or 25% for example, and vice versa


yeah try mixing with the eqs more than the fader

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Nemesis44
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Registered: Aug 2003
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quote:
Originally posted by Freak
constructive and destructive interference

Basically waveforms cancelling each other out.

work the eqs so you dont have 2 full kicks sounding. When one is on full, have the other at 50 or 25% for example, and vice versa


True dat, some times worth taking some midrange off to get this sorted if the bass doesn't do it alone.

Cheers
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some mixers just cant take 2 bass at one time


im played in a club once and there was a djm-600 and i couldnt both bass at any time or it would just reverb has hell

switch bass more rapidly

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I think everyone here has the right idea. I'd say adjust EQ first to avoid the cancelling out of low bass tones, and if the higher "kick" of the kick drum also feels weak then you may have to nudge one record by just a tad to get those synced up better (or worse, technically...) However, in my experience, if none of the tricks provided by all these guys does the job, then chances are those two tracks just weren't meant to be mixed together.


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