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Originally posted by Jayx1 This is a question i'm asking of other countries just to get a comparison. In Australia would you ever get a group of 1st generation Australians claiming to be another nationality just because one or more parents were born there? Would they ever feel "closer" to that heritage than they do to Australian heritage even though they were born in Australia and have never set foot in that country they claim?

Personally i belive this is a massive problem we have here in sydney. As you may or may not know, we have a massive multicultural society, but many of the people who are in this situation, claim to be greek/italian/lebanese/macedonian/etc.... and display this every way they can (ie internet nicknames, flags hanging from their cars etc..) and in some cases keep to those groups.

As far as im concerned, anyone born here, is Australian. No debate can be entered into. You have parents that are of XXXXX heritage but you my friend are Australian.

don't think that's a problem at all.

a part of multiculturism is accepting where we are from, and acknowledging the family's history.

those born here normally attach "australian" to their heritage. eg. italian-australian, chinese-australian, etc.

where people choose to reject their australian side however, that's just stupid.

btw, you don't have to step foot in a country to feel that you are a part of it. if a family holds/practises values and traditions and pass them onto their children, it would be natural for a person to feel they are a part of it. a lot of ethnics are like that.

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Multiculturalism is what makes Australia, but i think you should take pride in your cultural heritage - the main reason im a monarchist? - and also honour the country that holds you.

There is nothing wrong (and indeed, it should be preserved) with remaining in community groups and keeping traditions that have been in your native society for thousands of years. This provides identity and overall Australian diversity, which welcomes a rich variety of thoughts, ideas, philosophies and talents; which overall, progress our nation.


It's just a shame that some migrant groups (moreso in recent years) beleive that thier cultural identity makes them superior and gives them a free ticket to do what they like.



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Roots are roots you cant deny them, but the only people that have problem with this sort of identity, are the people from the middle east, the lebanese, and people from the Balkans. This is an inherant problem as really their have no real country, either over tehre or over here. No one made more of an effort in AUstralian society than the asians, greeks or the Italians did.

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One thing you cant escape is where you are from in the beginning... personally I am extremely proud of our brown land and love it... But what shits me is the Ethnic, Asian or any groups who seem to pay out this country or strut around like because there orig from (insert country here)...

But at the same time i urge to never forget where your from... even if you are 3rd, 4th or whatever generation it always seems to shine through... i mean my crappy irish skin still haunts me every time the sun is out ...burn burn

Last edited by Timski on Feb-27-2005 at 02:42

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Originally posted by gumble Multiculturalism is what makes Australia, but i think you should take pride in your cultural heritage - the main reason im a monarchist? - and also honour the country that holds you. There is nothing wrong (and indeed, it should be preserved) with remaining in community groups and keeping traditions that have been in your native society for thousands of years. This provides identity and overall Australian diversity, which welcomes a rich variety of thoughts, ideas, philosophies and talents; which overall, progress our nation. It's just a shame that some migrant groups (moreso in recent years) beleive that thier cultural identity makes them superior and gives them a free ticket to do what they like. When I come to power, and impose my Radinist regime, I will fix this

Gumbles most intelligent post ever? Seriously I agree with Gumble, but I think sometimes some people try too hard NOT to be Australian. I mean they will go out their way to act / dress like people of their heritage.

wow, interesting thread here. im a canadian thats been living in melb for the past three years (and the next thirty if i can convince the nice girl behind the counter at DIMIA to let me stay), having previously lived in downtown toronto (queen & leslie, but worked at queen & spadina).

in answer to your question, the answer is 'of course' - in both/any country. canada and australia (which, incidentally, are the two most sociopolitically similar non-geographically-proximate countries in the world according to a recent study that came out of melb uni's politics dept) are both nations of imimgrants; while canada is 'more multicultural' in terms of numbers of foreign-born residents (from memory toronto has the 2nd highest % of foreign-born residents behind miami, which has a zillion cuban-born residents), there is also within canada a large base of 5+ generation canadians as a result of canada's having been settled ~200 years prior to australia. in other words, canada's got more immigrants, but a LOT of australians are only 1-2 generations away from a foreign-born relative, compared to many less in canada. (still on first coffee sorry if this is crap)

that said, there appears to be much greater pressure on immigrants here in australia to 'conform', much like the US 'melting pot' multicultural policy; the fact that australia handles multicultural affairs (and indeed even indigenous issues!) through its immigration dept is interesting to note, as was its post sept-11 citizenship-promotion slogan, which ominously claimed "there's never been a better time to be an australian citizen!" some cultures have acheived a critical mass enough to have their own identity (italian specifically comes to mind, esp for me living just off lygon) but otherwise, i'd say there is much greater cultural homogeneity in melbourne than there is in toronto.

look at the number of chinese-born residents in both cities, for example, and compare that to the size of the 'chinatown' in both; toronto's is MASSIVE, whereas melb's got a couple little lumps here and there but nothing remotely similar; also look at the popularity of foriegn-signage in both cities: in toronto, major corporations such as mcdonalds, royal bank, etc all have their signage in chinese, whereas in melb i'd imagine there would be a civil war if such were to appear.

also of interest (and perhaps one of the catalysts for the more rapid absorbtion of foreign culture here) is the latent xenophobia that seems to permeate so much of australian culture and society... i don't mean to insult any of the aussies on here (as do not get me wrong i freaking love this country) but australia really is a country that, at least compared to the others in which ive lived, looks at visibly-foreign people as 'outsiders' regardless of their citizenship.

i could crap on endlessly about this but doubt anyone's read this far as it is. if this is for a school assignment or if you want any other ideas / sources / whatever let me know, its an area with which i'm pretty familiar bc of my work.

i think oz is an awesome country becoz of its multiculturalism. i think diversity breeds strength and new ideas flourish in such an environment.

the only facet of this that i dont like is that i consider some (albeit small) components of various cultures around the world to be largely offensive, and do not wish to see people coming to this country to continue certain practices here.

otherwise, anyone from anywhere is welcome as far as im concerned.

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