Its been in the back of my head for a while now, but in ordering many new records in the past couple months, as well as planning to play some shows out here soon I figured I'd ask just the same.

It may be a relatively stupid question, but I've noticed on some of my records (even those not by top name artists) it has in print "Unauthorized copying, hiring, lending, public performance, and broadcasting of this record prohibited."

Really a bummer because when I looked through my vinyl some of my favorite tracks had that on there.

So anyone wanna gimme the skinny on this? Are DJ's exempt from the public performance part due to the mixing aspect? Can I not *legally* play these tracks? Or is it just not even considered(overlooked), due to the nature of the DJ.

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every public venue will have purchased a licence, which enables public performance of copyrighted material.
Same as bars have to purchase a licence to sell alcohol really. (bars also have to have the music licence- even if they are just playing a mix cd in the background)

Basically what Freak is saying is that with this licence it becomes an 'Authorised' Public Performance as technically the artist get's some of the royalties from that.

Either way, it's really the bar/club owners problem if he doens't have a licence as he will be the one that is stung if it gets legal and not you.

Cheers
Nem

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The law in the US is just about the same. The owners pay a kind of blanket lisence fee that lets them play copyrighted music.

what everyone has told you so far is true, I took music businness. It's considered "performance royalties". they are collected by Ascap, bmi and other large organizations. the money is then distributed(through the publisher) and to various artists(not directly to the ones you're playing). They base who they pay on popularity, and # of copywriten works. And if you don't belong to any of those organizations, you won't be able to collect performance royalties(in most cases).

yeah it's kinda crappy that if I spun a 3 hour set, britney spears would get money, but great electronic artists wouldn't. There maybe other ways for artists, to get money, I just don't know how it works on an international basis. sorry guess I should research it. Although, I'd say if if an electronic musician was signed to a major label, they'd be able to collect.

When I think about it I get quite mad actually as a lot of the artists I play are just white labels that never get past that stage.
It's annoying that Britney would be getting paid for something she has nothing to do with.

Even more annoying when I spin one of my own tunes!

Nem

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it would be a pain in the ass though to figure out exactly what songs were played at every show, and even if they did that people would still complain. just be glad EDM isn't mainstream in the US, We'd kill it for sure!

Anyone that really care what track a dj has played, can ask them, maybe you'd get some sales out of it at least!(that is if we could get tracks here!)

Thanks for the info everyone. An intetesting system they have setup to get around things.

Good info to know if I ever setup that club i've always wanted as well.

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Originally posted by Nou Hrmmm, do the venues usually pay this or the promoters doing the party? Because I mean, like say you have venue that has DJ's but also on some nights has bands... bands dont have to pay ASCAP and those other fees if they play there own songs...

Nope, but they still need a public performance license or similar and a public liability insurance. I believe that in New York you also need a Cabaret license if people are going to dance.

It's always the venues. Promoters are just incharge of hiring acts, DJs and everything else that a night needs to work. The club does stuff that like security, sound system, liquer licenses etc.

Cheers
Nem

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clubs make there money back with alchahol.

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Not necessarily copyright in relation to DJing/clubs,

but recently I saw a commercial website (with goods for sale) that had a Ferry Corsten as the background music. Whats the statute of limitations on using songs for things like this? Personal sites? Business sites?

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