Hi,
I am having a really hard time time trying to create a Clpap/Snare strong enought, all mines sound very weak and tiny, I am looking for help about how to create one, if someone could help me or even better share with me some good Claps/Snares would be amazing.
Thanks in advance .
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i have the same problem... but i dont think the problem is with the samples... i have gr8 samples but most of the times they suck in the mix.. some info/help on this would be gr8.

edit: you can layer the clap with a hi-hat to make your percs sound more tight. (not much but...) heh

well might try putting them in a send and adding parametric eq and compression tot hem along with some reverb and that might help.

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Originally posted by ZxZDeViLZxZ well might try putting them in a send and adding parametric eq and compression tot hem along with some reverb and that might help.

Any idea what levels in the Parametric?
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check some of the presets for it there should be some to add nice sounds. or what you can do is load a spectrum and see where you want it to ahve more power from where it lacks and raise the power on thoose frequency ranges.

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Originally posted by kopi_luwak Hi, I am having a really hard time time trying to create a Clpap/Snare strong enought, all mines sound very weak and tiny, I am looking for help about how to create one, if someone could help me or even better share with me some good Claps/Snares would be amazing. Thanks in advance . Kopi =o.

to make a strong kick layer a clap, a snare and a drum flang right on top of each other

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Originally posted by Desty Nova to make a strong kick layer a clap, a snare and a drum flang right on top of each other

So I layedr a clap with a kick? Should I use the same EQ for both? Or should I eq diferently each one?
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Claps and snares don't need much low end, they reside mainly in the mid to mid-high area of your mix. Try panning your clap off to the side by 1 or 2 degrees from the kick. Eq out the lows at least 250 Hz and below. The more mid-low's a clap/snare sample has to begin with, the fatter it will sound. Think of Cortens newer tracks, they have a very fat snare, thats because they have more mid-low content. Where as some of the older tunes by Pulsar would have a very washy sounding clap (more like... white noise?) mainly in the mid-highs.

So think of what you're going for. Fat, and driving, or euphoric and washy/reverby.

Like anything in a mix, things can sound boring when too dry, this is especially true with trance music. So try experimenting with things. Try a thick, long reverb on your clap, then put a gate on the tail of the reverb so it cuts in and out. Maybe try a very subtle chorus on the clap.

Most of the time, samples may need to be layered, find yourself two claps that work well together. Not two claps that sound great on their own. Find one with some really lush highs and a longer decay, and one thats more punchy with more mid range content. When does this, EQ them seperatly! EQ the clap with the nice mid's to cut some of the highs to make room for your other clap, and vice versa.
Also make sure your kick doesnt dominate the frequencies that your clap is sitting in. This means you may need to EQ your kicks a little to accomidate your clap.

I personally compress my percussion together before they go through the master channel. This includes the claps, and I feel that I can bring the volume down on the claps without pushing them back behind everything.

Someone suggested layering in some hi hats with the clap, this is a good idea if your clap is lacking in the high end.

If you post a sample I can give more specific advice, but I think some of these pointers will help out a little.

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for a snare, you can try a little boost around 100-125hz to give it a little extra "umph" and a boost around 2k for more of the stick.

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Originally posted by moth Claps and snares don't need much low end, they reside mainly in the mid to mid-high area of your mix. Try panning your clap off to the side by 1 or 2 degrees from the kick. Eq out the lows at least 250 Hz and below. The more mid-low's a clap/snare sample has to begin with, the fatter it will sound. Think of Cortens newer tracks, they have a very fat snare, thats because they have more mid-low content. Where as some of the older tunes by Pulsar would have a very washy sounding clap (more like... white noise?) mainly in the mid-highs. So think of what you're going for. Fat, and driving, or euphoric and washy/reverby. Like anything in a mix, things can sound boring when too dry, this is especially true with trance music. So try experimenting with things. Try a thick, long reverb on your clap, then put a gate on the tail of the reverb so it cuts in and out. Maybe try a very subtle chorus on the clap. Most of the time, samples may need to be layered, find yourself two claps that work well together. Not two claps that sound great on their own. Find one with some really lush highs and a longer decay, and one thats more punchy with more mid range content. When does this, EQ them seperatly! EQ the clap with the nice mid's to cut some of the highs to make room for your other clap, and vice versa. Also make sure your kick doesnt dominate the frequencies that your clap is sitting in. This means you may need to EQ your kicks a little to accomidate your clap. I personally compress my percussion together before they go through the master channel. This includes the claps, and I feel that I can bring the volume down on the claps without pushing them back behind everything. Someone suggested layering in some hi hats with the clap, this is a good idea if your clap is lacking in the high end. If you post a sample I can give more specific advice, but I think some of these pointers will help out a little.

Thanx mate that was very descriptive and educative , I will work on that now .
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If you want some extra snap in your claps, try using some compression with a slow-ish attack. That basically adds a strong peak at the start of your hit, and then keeps the rest at a reasonable volume. It can work well, but overdo it and you'll have a nightmare with the final mastering.

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Take a white noise sample, put an ADSR envelope on it A:0, D:0, S:max, R:0. Make it a beat long (4/16th). Now take a compressor. Set it to something like 10:1 ratio, attack 50 ms, decay 200 ms. get about 10 dB gain reduction. try diferent settings untill you get it right. Now you might try adding a reverb with a around 180ms (that's for 140BPM) delay (not decay) time to get the reverg to rythmically folow the snare (4/16th-snare, 6/16th-reverb, 12/16th-snare, 14/16th reverb). Just an idea..