alrite, well i know this might sound a bit convoluted and stupid, and I don't know if it's ever been brought up here before either but does anyone see any similarities between the looming possible war in Iraq and the Starwars story line? I know about the spoof "Clone of the Attack" poster that was made but I've actually thought about this before seeing it. Anyways, just a thought .. I found it somewhat co-incidental..

Episode I : The Gulf War

Kuwait = Naboo
Iraq = The Trade Federation
United Nations = The Imperial Senate
United States = Corruscant
France = Alderan

Chancellor Vallorum = Kofi Annan
Senator Palpatine = Governor George W. Bush
Bail Organa = Jacques Chirac
Nute Gunray = Saddam Hussein
Lott Dod = Iraqi Defense Minister Tariq Aziz
Darth Sidious = Dick Cheney
Darth Maul = Colin Powell
Mace Windu = Vladamir Putin
Master Yoda = Zhiang Zemin
Jar Jar Binks = Ross Perot
The Phantom Menace = Osama bin Laden

The Jedi Ambassadors as the U.N. Inspectors:
Qui-Gon Ginn = Richard Butler
Obi-Wan Kenobi = Dr. Hans Blix
Anakin Skywalker = Dr. El Baradei

Episode II : The Gulf War II

Chancellor Palpatine = President George W. Bush
Bail Organa = Jacques Chirac
Nute Gunray = Saddam Hussein
Darth Sidious = Dick Cheney
Darth Maul = Colin Powell (yeah i know he died in EP1 but whatever)
Count Dooku = Defense Secretary Rumsfeld
Jango Fett = Tony Blair
Boba Fett = UK Foreign Minister Jack Straw
Jar Jar Binks = Ross Perot
Mace Windu = Vladamir Putin
Master Yoda = Zhiang Zemin
Clone Army = US Coalition
Jedi = Special Forces Troops

The Jedi Ambassadors as the U.N. Inspectors:
Obi Wan Kenobi = Dr. Hans Blix
Anakin Skywalker = Dr. El Baradei

The Miliary Creation Act = New UN Resolution 1442 ?

Kuwait = Naboo
Iraq = The Trade Federation/Geonosis
United Nations = The Imperial Senate
United Kingdom = Kamino
United States = Corruscant
France = Alderan

The new US M.O.A.B. 21,000 lbs laser guided bomb = Death Star

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"The Senate is mirred in corruption filled with greedy squabling bureaucrats. There is no interest in the common good."
- Senator Palpatine

"The UN is mirred in corruption filled with self-serving squabling foreign ministers. There is no interest in the common good."
- George W. Bush

"Even after your victory Nute Gunray is still Viceroy of the Trade Federation"
- Sio Bibble

"Even after our victory Saddam Hussein is still the President of Iraq"
- George W. Bush

"This is my apprentice Darth Maul, he will find your lost ship."
- Darth Sidious

"This is my secretary of state Colin Powell, he will find your hidden weapons."
- George W. Bush

"As my first act as Chancellor, I will create a grand army of the Republic, to counter the increasing threat of the seperatists."
- Chancellor Palpatine

"As my first act as President, I will create a grand coalition of the United Nations to counter the increasing threat of the terrorists."
- George W. Bush


and no it didn't take a long time to compose this list ..

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Last edited by dEsidEL on Mar-15-2003 at 07:15

marvellous observation



I love the movie, but hate reality

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I like the quotes on the bottom the most.

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hmmm... dont really get it

some of the bad guys are on the same side as the good guys

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those quotes have to be fake, and I know you got them by email or from a website

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LOL!!!!! dEsidEL, this is pure genius!!!

I love how the UN inspectors are the Jedi Knights!! Hilarious! And the Darth Maul/Sidious corresponding to Powell/Cheney, really makes a lot of sense.

Not to mention George W. Bush as Palpatine...haha!

OK, but seriously, this is still a very interesting observation, for it shows one possiblity of this entire scenario. If you all remember your Star Wars - and it's a little redundant stating this - you'll recall that eventually Palpatine came to seize power and turn the Republic into a ruthless dictatorialship.

Now, this is quite ridiculous in the real world, for Bush (probably) has no such intentions, nor could such a scenario ever come into place while there are still sane people in the world (yeah, making quite the assumption here aren't I? ).

EDIT: wait a second, you put Corruscant as the US, so this could actually make more sense than what I had initially thought. Having the US (Corruscant) as leading the rest of the world (galaxy) (or whatever the hell was the known universe in Star Wars), will make the conspiracy theorists bursting with glee at easy analogies and predictions, etc.

Otherwise, a lot of things are really connecting! E.g. the Death Star and that crazy-ass new US bomb (kinda scary that it's supposed to be the SUCCESSOR to the DAISY CUTTER ).

I particularly love the quotes on the bottom.

My personal favourite,

quote:

"This is my apprentice Darth Maul, he will find your lost ship." - Darth Sidious "This is my secretary of state Colin Powell, he will find your hidden weapons." - George W. Bush

rofl!!!

Thanks dEsidEL for the great post, I had a great laugh.

quote:

Originally posted by Xavier those quotes have to be fake, and I know you got them by email or from a website

Well, obviously Bush (and the rest) didn't actually say any of those things, but the analogy/joke is what counts!

This is Colin Powell, he'll find your hidden weapons...

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Originally posted by Xavier those quotes have to be fake, and I know you got them by email or from a website

haha actually i didn't get them from a site or email. the Starwars quotes are real, but obviously the Bush ones are fake. i just swapped the nouns to show the analogy of this hilariously co-incidental plotline.

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Originally posted by Alcode EDIT: wait a second, you put Corruscant as the US, so this could actually make more sense than what I had initially thought. Having the US (Corruscant) as leading the rest of the world (galaxy) (or whatever the hell was the known universe in Star Wars), will make the conspiracy theorists bursting with glee at easy analogies and predictions, etc.

heh yea.. Corruscant is the United States, because the United Nations is based in New York which is like the Imperial Senate being based in Imperial City on Corruscant.

if you really want to get a laugh outta this watch the debate in Episode 1 that they have in the Imperial Senate and retrospect that with what's happening right now in the UN Security Council.

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PALPATINE : ...the Republic is not what it once was. The Senate is full of greedy, squabbling delegates who are only looking out for themselves and their home sytems. There is no interest in the common good...no civility, only politics...its disgusting. I must be frank, Your Majesty, there is little chance the Senate will act on the invasion.
AMIDALA : Chancellor Valorum seems to think there is hope.
PALPATINE : If I may say so, Your Majesty, the Chancellor has little real power...he is mired down by baseless accusations of corruption. A manufactured scandal surrounds him. The bureaucrats are in charge now.
AMIDALA : What options do we have?
PALPATINE : Our best choice would be to push for the election of a stronger Supreme Chancellor. One who will take control of the bureaucrats, enforces the laws, and give us justice. You could call for a vote of no confidence in Chancellor Valorum.
AMIDALA : He has been our strongest supporter. Is there any other way?
PALPATINE : Our only other choice would to be to submit a plea to the courts...
AMIDALA : There's no time for that. The courts take even longer to decide things than the Senate. Our people are dying, Senator...more and more each day. We must do something quickly to stop the Federation.
PALPATINE : To be realistic, Your Highness, I'd say we're going to have to accept Federation control for the time being.
AMIDALA : There is something I cannot do.


George Bush : ...the UN is not what it once was. The Security Council is full of greedy, squabbling foreign ministers who are only looking out for themselves and their home nations. There is no interest in the common good...no civility, only politics...its disgusting. I must be frank, Your Majesty, there is little chance the UN will act on the invasion.
Kuwaiti Sheik: Kofi Annan seems to think there is hope.
George Bush : If I may say so, Your Majesty, the Secretary has little real power...he is mired down by baseless accusations of corruption. A manufactured scandal surrounds him. The foreign ministers are in charge now.
Kuwaiti Sheik : What options do we have?
George Bush : Our best choice would be to push for the election of a stronger UN Resolution. One who will take control of the ministers, enforces the laws, and give us justice. You could call for a veto of no confidence in current resolution.
Kuwaiti Sheik : It has been our strongest supporter. Is there any other way?
George Bush : Our only other choice would to be to submit a plea to the international war crimes tribunal...
Kuwaiti Sheik : There's no time for that. The tribunals take even longer to decide things than the security council. Our people are dying, Mr. President...more and more each day. We must do something quickly to stop the Iraqis.
George Bush : To be realistic, Your Highness, I'd say we're going to have to accept Iraqi control for the time being.
Kuwaiti Sheik : There is something I cannot do.

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PALPATINE : If the Federation moves to defer the motion...Your Majesty, Ibeg of you to ask for a resolution to end this congressional session.
AMIDALA : I wish I had your confidence in this, Senator.
PALPATINE : You must force a new election for Supreme Chancellor...I promise you there are many who will support us...it is our best chance... Your Majesty, our only, chance.
AMIDALA : You truely believe Chancellor Valorum will not bring our motion to a vote?
PALAPATINE : He is distracted...he is afraid. He will be of no help.
VALORUM : The Chair recognizes the Senator from the sovereign system of Naboo.
PALPATINE : Supreme Chancellor, delegates of the Senate. A tragedy has occured on our peaceful system of Naboo. We have become caugt in a dispute you're all well aware of, which began right here with the taxation of trade routes, and has now engulfed our entire planet in the oppresion of the Trade Federation.
A second box rushes into the center of the Senate. It is filled with Federation trade barons led by LOTT DOD, the Senator for the Federation.
LOTT DOD : This is outrageous! I object to the Senator's statements!
VALORUM : The Chair does not recognize the Senator from the Trade Federation at this time. Please return to your station.
LOTT DOD reluctantly moves back to his place.
PALPATINE : To state our allegations, I present Queen Amidala, the recently elected ruler of Naboo, to speak on our behalf.
QUEEN AMIDALA stands and addresses the assembly. There is some applause.
AMIDALA : Honorable representatives of the Republic, distinguished delegates, and Your Honor Supreme Chancellor Valorum, I come to you under the gravest of circumstances. The Naboo system has been invaded by force. Invaded...against all the laws of the Republic by the Droid Armies of the Trade...
LOTT DOD : I object! There is no proof. This is incredible. We recommend a commision be sent to Naboo to assertain the truth.


George W. Bush : If the Iraqis move to defer the motion...Your Majesty, I beg of you to ask for a resolution to end this security session.
Kuwaiti Sheik : I wish I had your confidence in this, Mr. President.
George W. Bush : You must force a new election for a new UN Resolution...I promise you there are many who will support us...it is our best chance... Your Majesty, our only, chance.
Kuwaiti Sheik : You truely believe Secretary Annan will not bring our motion to a vote?
George W. Bush : He is distracted...he is afraid. He will be of no help.
Kofi Annan : The Security Council recognizes the President from the sovereign nation of the United States.
George W. Bush : Mr. Secretary, delegates of the Security Council. A tragedy has occured in the peaceful country of Kuwait. They have become caught in a dispute you're all well aware of, which began right here with the occupation of oil fields, construction of weapons of mass destruction, and has now engulfed the entire nation of Kuwait in the oppresion of the Iraqi Army.
Iraqi Defense Minister Tariq Aziz : This is outrageous! I object to the American President's statements!
Kofi Annan : The security council does not recognize the foreign minster from the Iraq at this time. Please return to your seat.
George W. Bush : To state our allegations, I present the Kuwati Foreign Minister, the recently elected sheik of Kuwait, to speak on our behalf.
Kuwaiti Sheik : Honorable representatives of the United Nations, distinguished delegates, and Your Honor Secretary Kofi Annan, I come to you under the gravest of circumstances. The nation of Kuwait has been invaded by force. Invaded...against all the laws of the United Nations by the armies and weapons of mass destruction of Iraq...
Iraqi Defense Minister Tariq Aziz : I object! There is no proof. This is incredible. We recommend an inspection team be sent to Iraq to assertain the truth.

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Last edited by dEsidEL on Mar-15-2003 at 19:36

lol

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wow .. with war imminent, how do some of you think this parallels the storyline?

Count Dooku: "Master, the war has begun."
Darth Sidious: "Excellent. Everything is proceeding according as planned."

Secretary Rumsfeld: "Mr. Vice President, the war has begun."
Dick Cheney: "Excellent. Everything is proceeding according as planned."

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Not trying to be a Star Wars geek, but isn't Palpatine and Darth Sidious the exact same person in the Star Wars universe?

http://www.starwarsboard.com/board/...p?TOPIC_ID=3283