I'm starting this thread espec. after I read Miss Proxy and tu-face, their posts in another thread. I'd want to know TA's opinions about God (and let's not make it a "I don't believe cuz I haven't seen a sign" or stuff like this; the discussion is pretty important, so pls be serious...)

so, who believes and who doesn't? (and don't forget what's important: REASONS!!!)

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I don't believe, because I don't have a reason.
It's easier not to believe.

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let's not make it a "I don't believe cuz I haven't seen a sign" or stuff like this

Yes, but the point is that Atheism is, sematically, the rejection of theism, which involves the negation of a set of beliefs, not the affirmation of any particular set of beliefs. The only possible proof or evidence in favour of atheism comes from the negation of religion, which can only be acheived by citing a lack of evidence supporting religion, not by citing a preponderance of evidence supporting atheism. Thus, the only reason I need to be an atheist is the fact that I "haven't seen a sign" that has given me enough evidence to follow any particular theology.

I am an atheist, by definition, because no form of theism has given me enough reason to believe.

I don't belive in god, because it's much easier.. i don't have to fear of anyone, don't have to do stuff that religious ppl do.. it's much easier...
Besides, no ome has seen god, there was never no proof that he exists.. so why should i just "belive" he does exists?!?

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well, first of all, i feel the same way as renegade, its hard to believe in something when there really isn't any proof either way, just a long history of people believing in it. its almost mipossible to to disprove a positive statement/belief (ie. there is a god, well how can we ever prove or disprove that?) when something has been believed in for so long, because it hasn't been disproven, it just becomes dogma. i think people adopted religeon because way back in history, alot of things happened that they couldn't understand, so they thought there must be some omnipresent, omnipotent dude up in the sky that is making this weird stuff happen, because they didn't have the scientific knowledge to understand what was going on. this thought also gave them comfort because they felt as tho they were being watched over and taken care of, and that as long as they led a resoectible life they would be taken to heaven for eternity after they die. more evidence they were just dealing with uncertainty in a way that made them feel comfortable. then after centuries of re-telling stories and translation from language to language, religeon was born. i don't have anything against the idea of god, but i do resent organized religeon sometimes, cos it seems so far removed from the ideas behind religeon. if there was a god, i dont think the religeon in practice these days is what he/she would have in mind. im not trying to disrespect anyone who is religeous or whatever, this is just my take on religeon, and i always tend to take the scientific view of things.

I don't believe in the God that you seem to believe in, because that religion just didn't appeal to me! My parents obliged me to join them to the church untill i was about 12. After that (I am the youngest of three kids) they also stopped going to church, since they have been atheists too from before I was born, but they wanted their 3 kids to get to know christianity and find out for ourselves if we wanted to be part of that religion yes or no.
Neither one of us became Christian....
Anywayz, I always hated these weekly visits to church and I never understood why people good believe this fairytale of his God-person that is somewhere watching over us and enjoying his creation. I do not believe that he is there, nor believe that there is an evil Satan that tries to trick us into doing bad things.

I am not shortheaded for not wanting to believe I think, because when I was 14 I got interested in religions and I read boks about the Islam, Christianity (to refresh my memory), Satanism, the Egyptian Religion (dunno what it's called) and also about religions that worship Mother Earth and stuff like that. Very interesting.
I believe that religion is something that people made up for themselves to help them in bad times and to keep their hope strong. I think you can see that because people always believe stronger whenever they don't have all the good things in life (in wartimes, in hunger, in sickness...u name it)..and when they're happy...the churches are getting empty!

What I believe in is that everyone on earth has it's own good and bad god and that he/she/it differs for everyone....it depends on ur character I think. I also believe that when u die, time decides what will happen to you:
1) if it wasn't your time yet you will reïncarnate
2) if it was ur time, u will go to ur own heaven or hell...think of it as in that Robbie Williams movie (forgot the title)....u create ur own hereafter

This is how I feel, I hope I wrote down all I had to say about it..o yea..1 last thing: most religions detest other religions....katholics detest christians, muslims detest christians and so on....my religion is open for influences of all other religions.....

And if I'm contradicting myself.....fine....I'm human, I can't be 100% perfect in body and mind....

Amen, Proxi

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Wow Proxi, that was deep!

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Let's just put it this way: I'm an atheist. I also believe that with out religion at least half of the worlds problems wouldn't be here, alot of wars now are caused by religion.

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Originally posted by InsomnEac well, first of all, i feel the same way as renegade, its hard to believe in something when there really isn't any proof either way, just a long history of people believing in it... and i always tend to take the scientific view of things.

I agree with InsomnEac here, about the reason religions were "created," and also of taking the scientific view on things. I have studied alot of European history, one of the things that stuck with me was the idea of "RECEIVED" knowledge, which is passed down generation after generation and for that reason it's supposedly "good" and "correct" information. That's what the Scientific Revolution and Enlightenment was all about in the 17th and 18th centuries in Europe. "RECEIVED" knowledge such as you should always listen to the church and guide your life by the bible, every other ideas are wrong... human beings did not start making discoveries and inventions until they started thinking for themselves, neglecting "RECEIVED" knowledge and learning from their own personal observations and experiences, and not just accepting information that someone has told you to believe in. Galileo and Copernicus for example, challenged the idea of "RECEIVED" knowledge and challenged human beings to think about things for themselves and find THEIR own personal conclusions. I preferred to make my own decision about religion, rather than just believing in one because my parents did. And from what I've seen... religion is not something I believe in. I agree that having some kind of faith is an enormous psychological help at times, but I think that all the rituals involved with common religions (going to church, praying everyday, confessions, etc) are not a necessary part of life. I rather discover things for myself and I'm always more comfortable when information is backed up with proof and evidence.

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I'm definitley an athiest....
i also am jewish but i consider that a blood type thing rather than a religion. more like a poeple, nationality (am in herbrew). but as far as religion to me its just doesnt make sense, its irrational and in my point of view dangerous... why waste something as incrediable as life worrying about something afterwards you cant even know exsists (heaven/hell).

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Ok where to start .. i'm Catholic and i believe in this religion because my family do , and i went to a Christain Brothers primary and secondary school, everything i believe is pretty much built around my religion. I'm not about to come and try to convince everyone why Catholicism is correct and why other 'religions' aren't however some of the things ppl said really frustrated me...

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Originally posted by Miss Proximus . I believe that religion is something that people made up for themselves to help them in bad times and to keep their hope strong. I think you can see that because people always believe stronger whenever they don't have all the good things in life (in wartimes, in hunger, in sickness...u name it)..and when they're happy...the churches are getting empty! Amen, Proxi

K umm that just isn't true if you were in my home town you would see that our church is full every sunday morning no matter what ... it is true that faith is something ppl do cling onto at times when things aren't going so well but that dosen't mean that they are short sighted enough to just forget God when everything is going well. As for Atheism well thats just a crock ... to believe no matter what it is , means so much more than to just not believe because its easier .

Anyways peace, and God watch over the people of New York, everyone in Omagh has you in their thoughts.

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I don't believe in God, coz I don't think there is more then this. I think you live one life and then it is over. There is no heaven or hell. I don't understand a thing of it too. You have Allay, Jesus Christ and much more. It is too complicated. If there was a God, would the WTC be gone then? That questions I ask myself. That is just a reason why I not believe. God must be the good guy, but why are we fighting all over the world. Maybe I forget some things about it, but then I will be back in this thread.

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