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MisterOpus1
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Registered: Dec 2001
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Want more evidence of Global Warming?

How about the flawed research evidence of the dissenters whom Bush relied on to push his anti-environment bullshit agenda?:

quote:
August 12, 2005
Errors Cited in Assessing Climate Data
By ANDREW C. REVKIN

Some scientists who question whether human-caused global warming poses a threat have long pointed to records that showed the atmosphere's lowest layer, the troposphere, had not warmed over the last two decades and had cooled in the tropics.

Now two independent studies have found errors in the complicated calculations used to generate the old temperature records, which involved stitching together data from thousands of weather balloons lofted around the world and a series of short-lived weather satellites.

A third study shows that when the errors are taken into account, the troposphere actually got warmer. Moreover, that warming trend largely agrees with the warmer surface temperatures that have been recorded and conforms to predictions in recent computer models.

The three papers were published yesterday in the online edition of the journal Science.

The scientists who developed the original troposphere temperature records from satellite data, John R. Christy and Roy W. Spencer of the University of Alabama in Huntsville, conceded yesterday that they had made a mistake but said that their revised calculations still produced a warming rate too small to be a concern.

"Our view hasn't changed," Dr. Christy said. "We still have this modest warming."

Other climate experts, however, said that the new studies were very significant, effectively resolving a puzzle that had been used by opponents of curbs on heat-trapping greenhouse gases.

“These papers should lay to rest once and for all the claims by John Christy and other global warming skeptics that a disagreement between tropospheric and surface temperature trends means that there are problems with surface temperature records or with climate models,” said Alan Robock, a meteorologist at Rutgers University.

The findings will be featured in a report on temperature trends in the lower atmosphere that is the first product to emerge from the Bush administration's 10-year program intended to resolve uncertainties in climate science.

Several scientists involved in the new studies said that the government climate program, by forcing everyone involved to meet five times, had helped generate the new findings.

"It felt like a boxing ring on occasion," said Peter W. Thorne, an expert on the weather balloon data at the Hadley Center for Climate Prediction and Research in Britain and an author of one of the studies.

Temperatures at thousands of places across the surface of the earth have been measured for generations. But far fewer measurements have been made of temperatures in the air from the surface through the troposphere, which extends up about five miles.

Until recently Dr. Christy and Dr. Spencer were the only scientists who had plowed through vast volumes of data from weather satellites to see if they could indirectly deduce the temperature of several layers within the troposphere.

They and other scientists have also tried to analyze temperature readings gathered by some 700 weather balloons lofted twice a day around the world.

But each of those efforts has been fraught with complexities and uncertainties.

The satellites' orbits shift and sink over time, their instruments are affected by sunlight and darkness, and data from a succession of satellites has to be calibrated to account for eccentricities of sensitive instruments.

Starting around 2001, the satellite data and methods of Dr. Christy and Dr. Spencer were re-examined by Carl A. Mears and Frank J. Wentz, scientists at Remote Sensing Systems, a company in Santa Rosa, Calif., that does satellite data analysis for NASA.

They and several other teams have since found more significant warming trends than the original estimate.

But the new paper, by Dr. Mears and Dr. Wentz, identifies a fresh error in the original calculations that, more firmly than ever, showed warming in the troposphere, particularly in the tropics.

The error, in a calculation used to adjust for the drift of the satellites, was disclosed to the University of Alabama scientists at one of the government-run meetings this year, Dr. Christy said.

The new analysis of data from weather balloons examined just one possible source of error, the direct heating of the instruments by the sun.

It found that when data were examined in a way that accounted for that effect, the temperature record produced a warming, particularly in the tropics, again putting the data in line with theory.

"Things being debated now are details about the models," said Steven Sherwood, the lead author of the paper on the balloon data and an atmospheric physicist at Yale. "Nobody is debating any more that significant climate changes are coming."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/12/s...imate.long.html


Now who said Bush was ever scientifically challenged? Vast majority of scientific consensus be damned, right? I wonder if Limbaugh will get out of his drug-enduced euphoria and fess up on this one? Probably as soon as he kicks his addiction, I'm sure.....


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occrider
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Global warming can only be a good thing ... just look at its effect on piracy:


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Shakka
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quote:
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Global warming can only be a good thing ... just look at its effect on piracy:



That just made my fucking day. Arrrrrr!

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occrider
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That just made my fucking day. Arrrrrr!


It should make MisterOpus's day too if he visits the source of the graph:

http://www.venganza.org/


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Shakka
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It should make MisterOpus's day too if he visits the source of the graph:

http://www.venganza.org/


Wow. I think we must visit some of the same websites. I was just boning up on the flying spaghetti monster.

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TheNobleEu
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quote:
Originally posted by occrider
http://www.venganza.org/


I move that we of TA declare, in our next respective censuses, that we are devouts of the Holy Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Flying Spaghetti Monster-ites, unite!


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josh4
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what i'm seeing in the news about sharks, coyote, bears, polar bears, plankton, and other really strange animal behavior makes me think its somehow all related. but then i look at the pirate graph and wonder if its just coincidence. i dont think so but thats just me

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MisterOpus1
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quote:
Originally posted by occrider
It should make MisterOpus's day too if he visits the source of the graph:

http://www.venganza.org/



Jesus Occ, that's fantastic.

But I still think my Great Cookie Monster has the Flying Spaghetti Monster beat. It would make a great Japanese-like Godzilla flick...


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josh4
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what i'm seeing in the news about sharks, coyote, bears, polar bears, plankton, and other really strange animal behavior makes me think its somehow all related. but then i look at the pirate graph and wonder if its just coincidence. i dont think so but thats just me

and elephants

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josh4
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and elephants

and lions

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Belgian Bonzai
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no, dudezz, the evidence is here:
Pay attention to the first graph

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Thats hilarious

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