The thing about only the league winners making CL is that it detracts from quality of the league, since there are what 5 'big' leagues and few other 'decent' leagues (SPL, Turkey, maybe Danish league)

You're not going to get much of a fan draw on that league.

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

The current system is the best that has ever been - it results in a very high competitive level in the Champions League, which is a great test of both consistency (the group stage) and getting the best out of a long knock-out stage. Granted, the UEFA Cup has become a bit of a lower reputation trophy, but it still is a good competition for developing teams to get european experience and overall it has a decent standard of football. The Cup Winners Cup didn't add anything special except for nostalgia - when it was abolished it had become even less important than what the UEFA Cup is currently.

All this talk about the old Champions League and how only the champions "deserve" to be in it - but if we kept the current 32 teams league format with only the national champions, this would be the list of teams for this season: (I picked the champions from the 32 best placed nations in the UEFA coefficients. Worst case, we could have the champions from San Marino or Iceland knocking off some of these teams.)

Barcelona
Inter
Chelsea
Lyon
Bayern
FC Porto
PSV
Olympiakos
CSKA Moscow
Steaua
Celtic
Anderlecht
Shakhtar Donetsk
Slovan Liberec
Galatasaray
FC Zurich
Levski Sofia
Maccabi Haifa
Valerenga
Austria Wien
Red Star
Legia Warsaw
FC Kobenhavn
Debreceni
Dinamo Zagreb
Djurgardens
Ruzomberok
Apollon
Gorica
Siroki Brijeg
MyPa
Liepajas Metalurgs

I don't know about you, but I'd much rather have a Valencia-Roma in the Champions League over a Decreceni-Apollon. Unless you want to reduce the number of teams, therefore reducing the number of games. Want to watch less top football? Turn off the tv and let others watch it.

I'm sorry if being a bit harsh, it's just that i'm a bit fed up of this "idea" that comes up regularly in a number of forums i visit, when i have a total opposite view. In my opinion it's just the natural tendency people have to look at the past and think it was better than what it actually was.

i think the way the champions league is set out at the moment is great. `The format of the tournament makes for the best games and the ultimately is the most entertaining, and really thats what its all about isn;t it?

The way they have the uefa cup running at the moment tho is stupid, they shouldn't have changed it's format and certainly not to a five team group stage, thats just retarded..